Straighten me out

[Larry Gude]

And there's the kicker...

Larry, IMO it doesn't matter whether she "meant" any harm. Harm was definately done and to make matters worse, it sounds like she was completely irresponsible since the money didn't get returned in due fashion because she "forgot". She should have been punished "harshly" for this episode.

...she was. Lost her birthday party a week or two before the day.

This kid has a problem with taking responsibility, full responsibility, for her actions.

 

[jp2854]

 

[morganj614]

One parent is usually stricter than the other depending on the situations. Saying someone lied and stole is not harsh in my book, nor was the reaction to it. Be consistent in the teenage years, that's important.

 

[jp2854]

...she was. Lost her birthday party a week or two before the day.

This kid has a problem with taking responsibility, full responsibility, for her actions.

Larry you and Vrai are pushing the daughter a year later? you got me a little confused as to why you didn't do it sooner.

 

[rack'm]

i took 5$ out of my moms purse once when I was younger just so I could buy her flowers. I got yelled and screamed out and sent to my room Now thats harsh.

We really know you conned your sister into taking the money.

 

[cattitude]

Exactly Catt! Now I know who to PM for advice......

Anytime! We didn't always agree and sometimes it was he11. But in the end, we have a really nice family

 

[pixiegirl]

Paging KarenOT !!!!

 

[pixiegirl]

Anytime! We didn't always agree and sometimes it was he11. But in the end, we have a really nice family minus that little Pixie biatch.

:fixed:

 

[harleygirl]

Paging Kare nOT!!!!

 

[nomoney]

Larry you and Vrai are pushing the daughter a year later? you got me a little confused as to why you didn't do it sooner.

you're too slow to own 4 cats

 

[cattitude]

This kid has a problem with taking responsibility, full responsibility, for her actions.

How old is she? That's not unusual. Most kids blame everyone but themselves...idiot teachers, stupid cops...you name it. Excuses..excuses....they eventually come around.

 

[vraiblonde]

...what I heard her say was that how you said it and the context where the issue; not the words.

She told me before that my words were harsh and not conducive to warm and fuzzy conversations. And frankly, my words weren't meant to be warm and fuzzy.

I don't remember thinking kiddo took that money maliciously - until she lied about it. At first I just wanted her to tell me what happened. That's why I went through the logic process:

Is it stealing? Maybe, maybe not. Could be a prank that went awry. But when the lie gets thrown in, now I'm suspicious because why lie when the truth is as simple as that?

 

[Larry Gude]

That would be interesting...

So Vria, Are you going to print this out and take it to your whacky counselor?

...given that the words were not the issue.

Of course, I could be lying.

 

[pixiegirl]

...given that the words were not the issue.

Of course, I could be lying.

What was the issue? Vria being too harsh? The punishment itself is the issue?

 

[cattitude]

At the risk of sounding like a biatch..

I think it is a little subversive to discuss the counseling stuff on here.

 

[Larry Gude]

Sigh.....

Larry you and Vrai are pushing the daughter a year later? you got me a little confused as to why you didn't do it sooner.

...this was over and done with the week it came up.

She goes into a shell when she gets caught messing up, (EXCSUE ME, LYING AND STEALING) a slobbering, crying shell in an effort to get it all to go away. She laid on the coach for some time, an hour or more as we kept going back to her to get her to fess up and tell the damn story straight up.

She has a problem with taking full responsibility. I'll take responsibility for it for not being a good enough parent.

 

[Toxick]

I only just got back and this conversation may have LONG drifted by now...

Is it possible that Z meant it as a joke? Thinking A would look in her purse and go, "Oh no! Where's my (fill in the blank)???" and Z would then pull it out of her pocket and go, "Ha!"

So that's the question - is it possible that Z took A's belonging as a joke?

Well, if "Z = Toxick" and "A = Mrs Toxick" (or vice versa) then I have to say it's not only possible, but it's more than likely.

However, in this case, both Z and A usually try to avoid taking (fill in the blank)'s if missing a (fill in the blank) causes a panic attack or results in someone's untimely demise.

 

[bresamil]

At the risk of sounding like a biatch..

I think it is a little subversive to discuss the counseling stuff on here.

Make them stop Catt! When Larry and Vrai disagree it makes baby Jesus cry.

 

[harleygirl]

...this was over and done with the week it came up.

She goes into a shell when she gets caught messing up, (EXCSUE ME, LYING AND STEALING) a slobbering, crying shell in an effort to get it all to go away. She laid on the coach for some time, an hour or more as we kept going back to her to get her to fess up and tell the damn story straight up.

She has a problem with taking full responsibility. I'll take responsibility for it for not being a good enough parent.

I am not sure how old she is Larry, but if this is the worse thing she does, consider yourself lucky.

 

[kwillia]

How old is she? That's not unusual. Most kids blame everyone but themselves...idiot teachers, stupid cops...you name it. Excuses..excuses....they eventually come around.

I disagree... both of mine were taught and understood personal responsibility while still in single digit age. I'm not saying they didn't have to learn by example, but they learned early on.