Texas bans safest and most common abortion procedure after 13 weeks

[black dog]

Or it's called eliminating a blastocyst if you're not one of those who believes in "personhood" beginning at conception.

Your argument has no value if such is the case.

I don't know what a " Blastocyst or Personhood " is, nor do I care.
But I stayed in a Marriott one night last week.. And I can tig two soda cans together, does that count??

 

[PsyOps]

It makes no difference to me, that should be apparent by now.
You anti's constantly ask questions the same stupid questions that try to make others believe what you believe..
A micro dot, tadpole, fetus .. whatever.. it's hers to do what she wants to do with it.
It's not the daddys, minister, priest, Christian clinic or anybody's else's business.
I don't care about if it's the day after pill or a partial birth abortion the day before nature's delivery date..
What a woman does with her body and health needs are no business of anyone but her.

So, it's her body that's being ripped out of the woman?

I'll just say you're afraid to answer because you know where the answers leads. You know damn well if we discovered a microbe on Mars, you'd call it LIFE and want to do everything to protect it. But you're not willing call that thing in the womb, from the day of conception LIFE, and that it's a HUMAN LIFE, because it's much easier to just say it's a blob so you can turn your back and dispose of it like trash.

 

[SamSpade]

It's certainly not a child

Well I am glad you are here to argue legal and biological matters for the rest of us.

The LEGAL argument refers not to "human" - because it is - or child - because biologically it is a fetus from two months after conception until BIRTH -
but has been determined to be -- "personhood".

As in - does it have the rights of a regular person? THIS is the central argument.
If it NEVER does, then anti-abortion people have no argument.
If it always does, then pro-abortion people have no argument.

(The argument of - a woman can do with her own body as she pleases becomes no different if the fetus is in her womb as if the baby is in her arms two seconds after birth.
She is dealing with a separate being. And can no more end it than that father can drown his three month old twins.)

It's been generally argued that the answer is in between. As in the argument of viability - if the fetus can survive outside the womb a day early - or a week -
or two weeks or more - then it is not significantly different from a baby who is born at a regular 40 week gestation.

 

[This_person]

Allrighty,,, here's my meek knowledge of pregnancy with my high school education.
A good swimming sperm can reach the egg in as little as 30 minutes up to 72 hours, the average sperm lives 48 to 72 hours.

Now heres a little Diddy off the web that holds up your comfort factor with using Plan B.

The morning-after pill will not work if you're already pregnant. The morning-after pill, also known as emergency contraception (EC) helps prevent pregnancy; medication abortion terminates pregnancy. EC is effective when started within 120 hours (five days) of unprotected sex. The sooner it's started, the better.

Now I'm not a higher educated man, but I would tend to go with, Plan B starts a woman's monthly lunar cycle to flush away the egg....
Now if a sperm has reached the egg certainly within the first.... Let's just say 6 hours I would tend to go with that " Magical Thing " that happens when a sperm enters a egg has already happened.
So since that has already happened ....and the now a fertilized egg gets discharged,,,,

What do you think we should call it????????? I know what I call it.

Unless I'm all wrong..

It's called Marketing... To make your side of the fence comfortable with using it..

Here's a little more ...
.After you've taken plan B®, you should get your next period at the expected time, or a few days early or late. Note that you may experience spotting a few days after taking plan B®. While you're waiting for your next period, abstain from having intercourse or make sure you use a contraceptive.

So what do we call this spotting????

Yep.. a period..The Red Devil of Death.....

I would say that it forces essentially a natural miscarriage.

If we're forced to compromise, this seems like a fair one.

 

[This_person]

It's certainly not a child

Science disagrees with you

 

[WooterBird]

So, it's her body that's being ripped out of the woman?

I'll just say you're afraid to answer because you know where the answers leads. You know damn well if we discovered a microbe on Mars, you'd call it LIFE and want to do everything to protect it. But you're not willing call that thing in the womb, from the day of conception LIFE, and that it's a HUMAN LIFE, because it's much easier to just say it's a blob so you can turn your back and dispose of it like trash.

Your argument about finding "life" on Mars is a great one. Well done! We tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies all the time. Seatbelt laws, no texting and driving, drug laws, etc. Why should abortion be different?

 

[black dog]

I would say that it forces essentially a natural miscarriage.

If we're forced to compromise, this seems like a fair one.

Plan B..... Natural.....Negro Please,
What's Natural about taking a man made pill that produces a period??
Your looking for a out because a dumbass Welder with a High School Diploma pulled the blanket off your bull$hit..

 

[libertytyranny]

Allrighty,,, here's my meek knowledge of pregnancy with my high school education.
A good swimming sperm can reach the egg in as little as 30 minutes up to 72 hours, the average sperm lives 48 to 72 hours.

Now heres a little Diddy off the web that holds up your comfort factor with using Plan B.

The morning-after pill will not work if you're already pregnant. The morning-after pill, also known as emergency contraception (EC) helps prevent pregnancy; medication abortion terminates pregnancy. EC is effective when started within 120 hours (five days) of unprotected sex. The sooner it's started, the better.

Now I'm not a higher educated man, but I would tend to go with, Plan B starts a woman's monthly lunar cycle to flush away the egg....
Now if a sperm has reached the egg certainly within the first.... Let's just say 6 hours I would tend to go with that " Magical Thing " that happens when a sperm enters a egg has already happened.
So since that has already happened ....and the now a fertilized egg gets discharged,,,,

What do you think we should call it????????? I know what I call it.

Unless I'm all wrong..

It's called Marketing... To make your side of the fence comfortable with using it..

Here's a little more ...
.After you've taken plan B®, you should get your next period at the expected time, or a few days early or late. Note that you may experience spotting a few days after taking plan B®. While you're waiting for your next period, abstain from having intercourse or make sure you use a contraceptive.

So what do we call this spotting????

Yep.. a period..The Red Devil of Death.....

A fertilized egg is only the first part of a process that creates a pregnancy. In order for it to BECOME a pregnancy, it also has to travel and then implant into the uterus, at which point after implantation the body begins to make HCG, the pregnancy hormone. Thats the essential part of a pregnancy. Eggs (even multiple eggs) can be fertilized every month, but no pregnancy will occur until one implants into the uterus and signals the body to begin making hormones that will sustain it.

Plan b is just a megadose of regualr old birth control pills. The hormones and immediate drop signal the body to begin shedding the uterine lining and thus a fertilized egg is unable to implant. No pregnanacy.


No, if you want to argue that conception starts at the boner....:LMAO:

 

[black dog]

Science disagrees with you

I noticed you didn't post any Facts or Proof,,,, Just Science...

 

[black dog]

A fertilized egg is only the first part of a process that creates a pregnancy. In order for it to BECOME a pregnancy, it also has to travel and then implant into the uterus, at which point after implantation the body begins to make HCG, the pregnancy hormone. Thats the essential part of a pregnancy. Eggs (even multiple eggs) can be fertilized every month, but no pregnancy will occur until one implants into the uterus and signals the body to begin making hormones that will sustain it.

Plan b is just a megadose of regualr old birth control pills. The hormones and immediate drop signal the body to begin shedding the uterine lining and thus a fertilized egg is unable to implant. No pregnanacy.


No, if you want to argue that conception starts at the boner....:LMAO:

Keep up there Spanky, you might want to read the rest of this thread.
Right now you are preaching to the Choir..

 

[This_person]

Plan B..... Natural.....Negro Please,
What's Natural about taking a man made pill that produces a period??
Your looking for a out because a dumbass Welder with a High School Diploma pulled the blanket off your bull$hit..

What did you pull off?

It does not end a life, it stops a woman from getting pregnant. It is the compromise I, personally, am willing to accept. What is the compromise you are willing to accept, Dog?

 

[This_person]

I noticed you didn't post any Facts or Proof,,,, Just Science...

Well, I previously posted a link to the Mayo Clinic to discuss what Sap said was strange, calling a baby a baby. When I pointed out the Mayo Clinic does that, Sap did what Sap does - disappear at the face of contradictory information known to the rest of us as "facts".

For you, I will provide Princeton University:

To begin with, scientifically something very radical occurs between the processes of gametogenesis and fertilization; the change from a simple part of one human being (i.e., a sperm) and a simple part of another human being (i.e., an oocyte; usually referred to as an "ovum" or "egg"), which simply possess "human life", to a new, genetically unique, newly existing, individual, whole living human being (a single-cell embryonic human zygote). That is, upon fertilization, parts of human beings have actually been transformed into something very different from what they were before; they have been changed into a single, whole human being. During the process of fertilization, the sperm and the oocyte cease to exist as such, and a new human being is produced.

 

[Sapidus]

A couple of questions:

1) Is that fetus human? No. It is not a full formed human

2) Is that fetus a life form? Yes. As is a sperm and and a egg. Or an amoeba or a slug

 

[Sapidus]

I'm good with the Plan B pill. Pretty much anything beyond that - no.

Have you discussed that with every woman you have ever slept with prior to sleeping with her?

 

[Sapidus]

how is it hypocritical? Plan B doesn't end a pregnancy, it stops it from happening.

Actually the fertilization of the egg still occurs , so i'm sure some of these pro lifers still have a problem with that. The egg just doesn't not plant itself in the uterine lining.

 

[itsbob]

Despite many posters here saying that they don't care what other people do and have no interest in keeping people from abortions as long as they don't have to pay for them it seems Republican lawmakers in Texas do.


"So how does that impact women? Well, two of the measures in the bill – the D&X abortion ban and the ban on the sale of fetal tissue – are just lawmakers beating their anti-choice drums. Federal law already forbids the sale of fetal tissue, and “partial-birth” abortions were outlawed more than a decade ago. The provision requiring women to bury or cremate fetal remains if they get an abortion is more a shaming tactic than anything – it’s designed to imbue the fetus with “personhood,” which is a common pro-life tactic. It’s the last provision – the ban on D&E abortions – that’s most concerning. Dubbed “dismemberment abortions” by pro-life activists, the method is one of the safest and most common for second-trimester abortions. What’s more, the bill makes no exceptions in the case of rape or incest, meaning victims of either would be forced to carry their pregnancies to term. The ban would only be waived in the case of a “medical emergency.”

http://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/...most-common-abortion-procedure-after-13-weeks

Which abortion method is safest for the baby??

 

[This_person]

Have you discussed that with every woman you have ever slept with prior to sleeping with her?

Why would I do that? I would never sleep with a woman with whom I had no desire to procreate.

Would you?

 

[Sapidus]

It's not really a colloquialism. It's just easier to contemplate clogging drains with the mangled flesh of a "fetus" rather than a "child".

I'm actually kinda surprised that most pro-abortion people don't reduce the value of unborn offspring even further, by referring to a fetus as a parasite. It fits all the criteria.

Do you have a problem with the millions of sperm that die every time you masturbate or have sex without fertilizing an egg?

 

[This_person]

Would a 13 week old fetus survive outside the womb ? No. So it's not a child or or anything other than a fetus.

I'm sorry - are you suggesting one must be able to survive unaided in an environment we're not designed to survive in the definition of what makes us human? Are you saying what science calls a human is somehow subhuman?

 

[itsbob]

Actually the fertilization of the egg still occurs , so i'm sure some of these pro lifers still have a problem with that. The egg just doesn't not plant itself in the uterine lining.

Does that egg ever have a beating heart.. fingers... toes.. hands.. feet??