the moral chicken and egg

[tommyjones]

Jesus relayed the Message to all of us. Pick any version you desire. It's all the same. Only 1 person walked His Earth without sin. And we will ALL stand before Him one day..........The Word of God says it, not me.

its the word of men about god.



as for the rest, it ssems that if it was all the same then all chrisitians would believe the same, and they dont.


BTW, you still haven't made your point about happiness in religions.

 

[Xaquin44]

They won't accept the Bible. They are best ignored.

Why?

Are we lesser?

Are we not worthy in gods eyes .... or just yours?

 

[tommyjones]

They are both smarter than JPC and make logical arguments. Since i refuse to hear anything other than what i am saying, They are best ignored.

 

[toppick08]

that's not what most say.

Define "most".

 

[toppick08]

I(or others) don't say it, The Holy Bible does, and you can't disprove it by "logic".

 

[Xaquin44]

Define "most".

67% of the world .... more if you account for the different factions of christianity that don't agree on a version of the bible. Keep in mind, that according to every person he is correct.

 

[Xaquin44]

I(or others) don't say it, The Holy Bible does, and you can't disprove it by "logic".

but you should be able to apply some kind of logic, or else why bother?

 

[tommyjones]

I(or others) don't say it, The Holy Bible does, and you can't disprove it by "logic".

no, others said it in the bible, now you and others are repeating it.


the fact of the matter is that we can disprove just as much as you can prove, nothing.

I do know that the book was written by men though, that is a fact.

BTW, still no point as to happiness.......

 

[toppick08]

67% of the world .... more if you account for the different factions of christianity that don't agree on a version of the bible. Keep in mind, that according to every person he is correct.

The Bible says do not be of this world(any version), because eternity is bigger than the "world". The Devil rules the minds of the world. As a person(created in His image), will you stand before Pure Perfection and claim your a good person?

 

[tommyjones]

The Bible says do not be of this world(any version), because eternity is bigger than the "world". The Devil rules the minds of the world. As a person(created in His image), will you stand before Pure Perfection and claim your a good person?

if the devil rules the minds of the world, and men wrote the bible, then the devil inspired the bible...... there you have it folks, the gospel according to toppick according to me

 

[Xaquin44]

The Devil rules the minds of the world.

Well, who let that happen?

As a person(created in His image), will you stand before Pure Perfection and claim your a good person?

nope. I'll tell him I did what I could with what I had at the time.

 

[toppick08]

no, others said it in the bible, now you and others are repeating it.


the fact of the matter is that we can disprove just as much as you can prove, nothing.

I do know that the book was written by men though, that is a fact.

BTW, still no point as to happiness.......

You haven't disproved anything. His proof is in the Gospels, Like 'em or not.
I just try to follow Him........

 

[tommyjones]

You haven't disproved anything. His proof is in the Gospels, Like 'em or not.
I just try to follow Him........

so second hand hearsay is proof? i dont think so, and you haven't proved anything either, we are still even, you have proved nothing, i have disroved nothing.


BTW, still no point on the happiness angle?

 

[toppick08]

so second hand hearsay is proof? i dont think so, and you haven't proved anything either, we are still even, you have proved nothing, i have disroved nothing.


BTW, still no point on the happiness angle?

YOU or Xaquin44 CAN"T prove the Bible wrong. I don't have to prove anything. The Bible is correct. Evidence of the Holy Bible being wrong is always accepted, but nothing so far. See, as a sinner myself, the scriptures are correct and the world won't get through it's pride to accept them. Man will never prove God's words are a fraud.

 

[This_person]

but they need not be religious to do good .... I mean when an atheist holds open a door for an old lady, why would it be better or worse then when a christian does it?

I'm not saying better or worse. Not saying that at all.

 

[This_person]

well, i was right with ya till you jumped to the last part.....

and i dont see how you can claim its not for gain if you are getting an eternal life from acting morally under your plan

Because it's the motivation that really makes the difference. If you're doing it for the motivation of personal gain, then it's not a moral act, it's a selfish act. That you get the carrot is not the motivation for the act, just a benefit of having the morals

 

[This_person]

there is no stick or carrot for atheists, only being. For christians the stick is hell and the carrot enternal life with god. How can you not see that?

Again, if the motivation for the acts is the stick or carrot, those are not moral actions. How can you not see that?

 

[tommyjones]

YOU or Xaquin44 CAN"T prove the Bible wrong. I don't have to prove anything. The Bible is correct. Evidence of the Holy Bible being wrong is always accepted, but nothing so far. See, as a sinner myself, the scriptures are correct and the world won't get through it's pride to accept them. Man will never prove God's words are a fraud.

apparently we have found one of the ten........



seriously, you can't be saying that we can't prove it wrong ADN that you dont need to prove it right in the same sentence?

Either we both have to prove our point or neither do. So if you want to claim its right becasue its right, then i have to say its wrong because it is full of things we know can not happen. It is either a fake or lies, you will never prove that your grey haired man in the sky exisits.

 

[tommyjones]

Again, if the motivation for the acts is the stick or carrot, those are not moral actions. How can you not see that?

i see it just fine, and i think that heaven and hell are your carrot and stick, while the atheist have no such carrot or stick, its plain and simple.

so you are doing things morally for the selfish reason of going to heaven/notgoing to hell.

 

[Xaquin44]

YOU or Xaquin44 CAN"T prove the Bible wrong. I don't have to prove anything.

Well then neither do I!

The bible was written by 10,000 monkeys with 10,000 typewriters purely by accident!

I can't prove it, but I don't have to.

besides, I'm right.