This Perfectly Sums Up What “Rights” Mean to Liberals

[PJay]

And "42" was a good movie.

 

[SG_Player1974]

Really? I thought it was ridiculous. Especially the part where he posts all that hysterical nonsense, then has the nerve to say that *I* got carried away.

Damn. Well, you certainly have the right to feel this way. I just wish for you to have walked a mile in my shoes.

Still Damn. And, here I thought you to be fair and understandering of all sides.

Triple Damn......

Still on that high horse I guess....

In all honesty... I would love to know exactly how you (vrai) have experienced racism in your life. I can only assume to this point but, I wouldn't mind hearing how exactly you had to weather it. Personally, I spent the first half of my life growing up in downtown Detroit so, I think I can speak very clearly and with great experience on the behaviors of minorities and also about being the minority.

Have you ever lived in an area, for any length of time in your life, where you were the undisputed minority?

 

[vraiblonde]

Damn. Well, you certainly have the right to feel this way. I just wish for you to have walked a mile in my shoes.

Still Damn. And, here I thought you to be fair and understandering of all sides.

Triple Damn......

Sorry, I am not now nor will I ever be "understanding" of mindless bigotry directed at a whole group of people just because they happen to share a single characteristic. There is no "side" to that.

What mile in what shoes? Do you want to be judged by every white person's behavior? Do you want to be personally stigmatized because serial killers and child molesters are almost always white? Most drug dealers are heterosexual - do you want everyone to think you're a drug dealer because you're hetero like them? Because, I mean, you white hetero Christians are all KKK members, right? Are you a KKK member?

Think, people. That's all I'm asking.

 

[vraiblonde]

Have you ever lived in an area, for any length of time in your life, where you were the undisputed minority?

Of course. I lived in Augusta, GA for 9 months and my husband and I were the only white couple in the apartment village (50+- 4-plexes). There was ONE other white person, a woman who was married to a black man. Neither we nor she had any problems at all, my neighbors couldn't have been nicer to me. I was 19 and pregnant, and my husband worked nights so I was alone, but I was never afraid.

Do you really want to judge ALL black people based on the ones you encountered in the ghettos of Detroit? Do you think that's fair and sensible?

I mean, you can feel how you feel - that's your right. But I think it's ridiculous and it's my right to express that.

 

[rdytogo]

Eric Holder once called America a nation of cowards, when it comes to racial discussion.
What happens when Whites discuss race.
We make Vrai ashamed .

Her view is pretty inclusive when she says "You All".

We are not allowed to post of all the killings in the ghetto's on black on black crime.
We are not allowed to say Obama is incompetent. It ok when she says it , but she is ashamed when we say it.
Because we are racist and she isn't.

We are not allowed to point out all of the crimes, the riots, the black community has, nor can we point out that Hispanics are taking jobs from citizens, that they have no business being here if they came illegally, pr that drunken Hispanics are killing people on the roads.

She has no knowledge of our experiences or why we are racist in her mind,, she has judged us, and found us guilty.
And she is ashamed.
I don't consider myself racist, I judge each individual on the way they are, the way they live, and the stand they take.
She won't believe that,, and personally I don't care. I am willing to have a discussion on race, or homosexuals any time.
I know people of both persuasions , and like some of them and dislike others.,
I have homosexuality in my family and a niece who married a black. Most of us will have both in the family before too long.
Some call that progress.
To me Homosexuality is a sickness. I don't hate everyone with Cancer just because I hate Cancer.
I don't hate all blacks , just those who are like a cancer in the community.
I might add that all white hetero Christians are not a rallying cry away from lynching,or burning the homes of Non Christians, Non-hetero's or non whites or anyone else.

Damn Vrai you really got carried away on this post.

The way you took her posting is not how I see it. She is not speaking about me, although I have questioned the presidents competence. She is not saying you can’t say that a black person committed a crime, but to say that race had anything to do with that person’s reason for committing that crime is ridiculous.

What she, as best I can understand it is saying those people on here who would say a person, because of their color or religion is likely to commit a crime or do something bad are bigots. I agree with her 100%.

I’ve seen YOU make blanket statements about Muslims. Stating as fact that they want to kill me. While I’m sure there are some Muslims which would want to kill me, I have in my life known multiple ones who would disagree.

Can you honestly say that you have not witnessed people making racist remarks in these forums? If you have, is that something you stand up for or against?

 

[SG_Player1974]

Do you really want to judge ALL black people based on the ones you encountered in the ghettos of Detroit? Do you think that's fair and sensible?

I mean, you can feel how you feel - that's your right. But I think it's ridiculous and it's my right to express that.

No. I tend to judge black people.... ALL people... on what I see and experience directly from that person or people.

Do you really want to judge all people on this forum based only on what you have seen on a few threads? Do you think that is fair and sensible especially since all you have to leverage from is a 9 month stint in a predominantly black neighborhood? Do you think that is fair and sensible?

And... it is MY right to express just how ridiculous you are when you point the finger of blame like you should be held exempt and say you are "Ashamed of us.."

 

[SG_Player1974]

Can you honestly say that you have not witnessed people making racist remarks in these forums? If you have, is that something you stand up for or against?

The problem is that a LOT of people confuse FACTS with racism!

Just like the statement earlier that although African Americans comprise 13% of the population, they account for 28% of the crime. That is just the facts. And accordingly, my thoughts and views reflect that. I'm sorry but someone who calls that racism... is in denial!

 

[rdytogo]

Wow! I have never heard that explanation for why so many businesses didn't allow blacks prior to civil rights legislation. Why weren't they allowed to vote?

WAIT! They were allowed to vote......They just had to take a little test which I am certain was administered fairly across the board without regard to race!

 

[Larry Gude]

And of course you either didn't read, or just chose to omit:

When I said "and again..." my intent was to support and reiterate what you were saying.

 

[GURPS]

The Christ I was taught would bake cakes for gay people or black or white or whatever.

I do not think Christ would be changing water into wine at a gay wedding
... and that is the ONLY point here
.... providing a service at a Gay Wedding


or have you forgotten the reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah

 

[Hijinx]

I’ve seen YOU make blanket statements about Muslims. Stating as fact that they want to kill me. While I’m sure there are some Muslims which would want to kill me, I have in my life known multiple ones who would disagree.

Can you honestly say that you have not witnessed people making racist remarks in these forums? If you have, is that something you stand up for or against?

I have made blanket statements about Muslims. I believe that those who are true to their religion/cult, mean to enslave or kill anyone who is not of their religion/cult.
Aren't we seeing it in the Middle east and in Europe? It is a growing threat to anyone not belonging to Islam. Certainly there may be those who claim to be Muslim who do not conform to that view. They are Apostate IMO.

Certainly I have seen racist remarks in this forum. I have seen it from both sides.
My problem is that only one side admits it. The other side acts like they are entitled to be racist.
Blacks are as racist as whites ,perhaps more so. IMO they feel they are entitled to be racist, and whites are not.
I don't encourage racism, but why is it when a white person speaks up for their race they are racist, When a black does it they are not.
We cannot have a White Congressional Caucus, but there is a black one.
Are those members racist? got damn right they are. Do I believe Obama is a racist? I do. Michelle ?--yes, Holder?--Yes, Valerie Jarrett?--Yes.

Why are they racist?? Probably from their life experiences and the BS they have been fed.
What is so wrong for whites to be racist because of their life experiences and the BS they are fed.

Because a person favors one race over the other, does that mean they cannot get along? It does not.
Have I seen White privilege? I have.
Have I seen whites passed over for promotion or a job because of affirmative action? I have.

I have black people that I am friends with, I have homosexuals that I am friends with,
They treat me right, I treat them right.
I come into the forum and some people make accusations and want to pick fights, Fine let's fight.
Call me an idiot I call them one. Call me racist , I will call likewise.
Treat me with respect, and I will do likewise. Here in the forum and in personal life
I don't care what color they are or what their sexual persuasion is.
What goes around , comes around.

Racism is a 2 way street.

 

[GURPS]

Such as a Muslim baker or wedding planner working a wedding with two gay Muslims (most of my more devout Muslim friends say, ain't no such thing).

Steven Crowder has a video up of him going from Muslim Bakery to Muslim Bakery - asking for a cake for a Gay Wedding ... he is repeatedly refused

no Queer is screaming about that injustice

 

[Larry Gude]

I feel I have to make it clear that I DO NOT agree with discrimination. I think it shows poor character and, especially in the vein of exercising one’s Christianity, it reflects poorly on their understanding of their faith.

We have to distinguish between institutionalized discrimination and individual discrimination. America of pre-Civil Rights Act was an institutionalized discrimination where it was legal to not only force blacks into a place of subservience, but it was expected. It was legal for a white person to inflict violence on blacks if they crossed that line.

We DO NOT have that today. There are no separate water fountains for gays, no back of the bus, no less pay for gays… There is no institutionalized discrimination.

That’s how I can say that. But, as with all of these conversations… I am interested in how the constitution answers to these things. First do we have freedom of choice? Second, are Christian business owners allowed to assert 1st amendment protections when refusing to serve people? Are gays free to go to a different baker? Or are we going to take this up with government and have them force us to behave?

I don't think you are your posts as supporting discrimination. At least in terms of things like skin color, gender(s) and sexual preferences. As for being a bigot about music...

Constitutionally, in my view, this is a general welfare issue as well as pursuit of happiness. The argument that making a cake for a wedding violates ones own faith seems really specious to me and is very different from, say, being forced to officiate or even attend. People making arguments comparing this to having to bake for the klan and nazi's, man, how does one even get there, from gay to racial superiority and genocide?

 

[GURPS]

Another thing I find very amusing is how many people on this forum (GURPS, especially)

refusing to supply a cake for a wedding is not asking for adulterers to be stoned in the street .....

 

[GURPS]

It works both ways - religious antagonism is ok, so long as it's Christians, because they won't kill your whole town if you try it.

to quote The Right Stuff

'fuc'n a Bubba'

 

[rdytogo]

The problem is that a LOT of people confuse FACTS with racism!

Just like the statement earlier that although African Americans comprise 13% of the population, they account for 28% of the crime. That is just the facts. And accordingly, my thoughts and views reflect that. I'm sorry but someone who calls that racism... is in denial!

I can tell the difference between a fact and racism. Are you saying that you have never witnessed racist statements directed towards African Americans on these forums?

 

[SG_Player1974]

I can tell the difference between a fact and racism. Are you saying that you have never witnessed racist statements directed towards African Americans on these forums?

Nope. I have seen it SEVERAL times. What I am saying is that EVERY instance is marked as racism.

Discriminating against someone based on their skin color = Racsim
Discriminating against someone based on FACTS = using the facts to make an informed decision.

Example: Someone on here makes a statement that they do not feel comfortable walking through downtown DC or they drive through with the doors locked. Is that racism OR is that discrimination based on facts?

 

[rdytogo]

I have made blanket statements about Muslims. I believe that those who are true to their religion/cult, mean to enslave or kill anyone who is not of their religion/cult.
Aren't we seeing it in the Middle east and in Europe? It is a growing threat to anyone not belonging to Islam. Certainly there may be those who claim to be Muslim who do not conform to that view. They are Apostate IMO.

Racism is a 2 way street.

Isn't this also true of Christians who would be true to thier religion?

Deuteronomy 13:13-19

Deuteronomy 17:12

Deuteronomy 22:20-21

Leviticus 20:13

If, as you are trying to imply, you are only basing your information on what their religion tells them (Meaning the Koran) then what do you say to Christians who read the bible?

 

[rdytogo]

Nope. I have seen it SEVERAL times. What I am saying is that EVERY instance is marked as racism.

Discriminating against someone based on their skin color = Racsim
Discriminating against someone based on FACTS = using the facts to make an informed decision.

Example: Someone on here makes a statement that they do not feel comfortable walking through downtown DC or they drive through with the doors locked. Is that racism OR is that discrimination based on facts?

Who is marking every instance as racism?

Where in Vri's original post does she talk about someone complaining about walking in D.C? Where, in her original post, is she complaining about anyone confusing a fact with racism? She's complaining about racist and condemning their behavior and ashamed that they are among us. What is your complaint about that?

 

[SG_Player1974]

Who is marking every instance as racism?

Where in Vri's original post does she talk about someone complaining about walking in D.C? Where, in her original post, is she complaining about anyone confusing a fact with racism? She's complaining about racist and condemning their behavior and ashamed that they are among us. What is your complaint about that?

I think you are confusing points here...

My comments towards vrai were due to her high and mighty opinion and all encompassing backlash regarding what she thinks is racist rhetoric. The fact that she condemns these people in one sentence and then calls out others in the next tells the tale.

Our conversation was about people being quick with the 'Racist' label. People tend to forget that discrimination and racism are two totally different things. Racism is a BELIEF. Discrimination is an ACTION.