Time to grow up and put your guns away

[Larry Gude]

And what he...

no, I was saying just because a person who is a crimnial hasn't been arrested yet, doesn't mean he/she should be able to carry a gun wherever.

heck a guy I used to live next to used to get messed up on every drug imaginable and drive around and occasionally shoot mailboxes.

clean record and could buy as many guns as he wanted.

I'd hate for him to be able to carry a gun around because the way he is, someone would very likely be hurt.

anecdotal evidence of course, but then again, so is everyone elses.

...was doing was already illegal! You can bring up all sorts of horror stories about people like that, but, they're already breaking the law. It's a simple equation; do you have a right to life or not? If you do, you have a right to defend it.

 

[Larry Gude]

Did...

so the solution is to make it ok for him to do that?

...I miss the part where someone said we should all have the right to be drug addicts and run around shooting off weapons recklessly? You don't want me to have a weapon in case your buddy snaps and starts shooting at me, but you couldn't be bothered to call the cops on your buddy to help protect us all? Isn't that another reason to want a right to self defense; no one else is gonna help you.

 

[Bruzilla]

But Bru, you have a choice. We do not.

BTW, I find the stances you are starting to take ironic considering your signature.

As to having a choice, you have the same choice I had: stay in MD or leave the state! I chose to leave, you choose to stay. You can whine all you like about wanting to have more firearms freedom, but MD is a state where the majority have a different view... so all you do is beat your head against the wall. I was hoping Ehrlich was going to get rid of the oppresive gun laws, and when he didn't I opted to go somewhere where my freedoms were more respected.

No irony there... just realism. If this were the old west or Haiti, where criminals were running the streets and innocents were at imminent harm, that would be one thing. But the reality is most people who have CCPs are in more danger of shark attack than being a victim of violent crime. It's great that people have this desire to defeat evil doers, but the purpose of a CCP program is not to provide a 24/7 supplemental police force, it is to allow people to defend themselves. I don't want to see a lot of folks taking the law into their own hands as that will only serve to kill the CCP programs. If you need to carry as your life is in danger, by all means carry. If you're carrying because you have some fantasy about fighting crime... go be a cop.

 

[Ken King]

so the solution is to make it ok for him to do that?

Did I say that? Since you know of his criminal activity have you stepped up and done the right thing or do you believe that it's none of your concern?

 

[Xaquin44]

...was doing was already illegal! You can bring up all sorts of horror stories about people like that, but, they're already breaking the law. It's a simple equation; do you have a right to life or not? If you do, you have a right to defend it.

yes it was illegal

so again, the solution is to make it legal for him to carry?

and ahahhahaa at your right to life/right to defend.

I now desire a tank to drive to work every day.

A car may crash into me and kill me.

I have a right to life and a right to defend it.

 

[Larry Gude]

Well...

yes it was illegal

so again, the solution is to make it legal for him to carry?

and ahahhahaa at your right to life/right to defend.

I now desire a tank to drive to work every day.

A car may crash into me and kill me.

I have a right to life and a right to defend it.

...I can see this is pointless.

 

[Ken King]

yes it was illegal

so again, the solution is to make it legal for him to carry?

and ahahhahaa at your right to life/right to defend.

I now desire a tank to drive to work every day.

A car may crash into me and kill me.

I have a right to life and a right to defend it.

Go for it, hope you enjoy the fuel costs.

 

[Xaquin44]

Did I say that? Since you know of his criminal activity have you stepped up and done the right thing or do you believe that it's none of your concern?

I called the cops a couple times. Mostly over loud parties.

A whole lot of nothing came of it.

I guess I should have got a gun and shot him or something.

 

[Baja28]

...I can see this is pointless.

I could've told ya that. I gave up on the buffoon.

 

[Ken King]

I called the cops a couple times. Mostly over loud parties.

A whole lot of nothing came of it.

I guess I should have got a gun and shot him or something.

So you're saying that you called for a loud party, but not for shooting mailboxes? Which do you think has more impact or risk of harm?

 

[Xaquin44]

...I can see this is pointless.

oh

I guess I don't have a right to life concerning potential events that might require offensive/defensive capabilities on my part.

=(

guess I'll just buy a hand gun and carry it with me, that way if some drunk driver swerves at me I can shoot him in the head while moving at 55mph

after all, I must be able to protect myself and my family.


still wish I could have a tank =(

 

[Larry Gude]

Now...

oh

I guess I don't have a right to life concerning potential events that might require offensive/defensive capabilities on my part.

=(

guess I'll just buy a hand gun and carry it with me, that way if some drunk driver swerves at me I can shoot him in the head while moving at 55mph

after all, I must be able to protect myself and my family.


still wish I could have a tank =(

...is your goal to just be pedantic or do you honestly think that the only thing keeping people from murdering one another over traffic altercations is the general prohibition in Maryland on carrying a weapon?

 

[Xaquin44]

So you're saying that you called for a loud party, but not for shooting mailboxes? Which do you think has more impact or risk of harm?

well it's not like I was in the car with him.

this is just from what he told me .... and judging the state of some of the mail boxes, I'd say he wasn't lying.

 

[Bruzilla]

...and by that logic lottery tickets should be illegal. Yet, people win every stinking day, some big. People use a firearm to defend themselves, depending on whose stats you like, 1,000's of times a year to as much 100's of 1,000's and that never counts how many times or places a crime is simply never committed or even contemplated because conceal carry is the law of the land.

What is not arguable is that there is a great number of assaults that happen every year. What is not arguable, to me, is that there will be less if we recognize the right to self defense that is inherent in the right to life.

The truth that firearms are used in self-defense everyday is not in dispute. My point is that the people who use these weapons are usually people with a need to use them, i.e., they live/work in high-risk areas, they work in high-risk jobs, they have abusive spouses, etc. These are folks who have a genuine need to carry as evidenced by the number of times these people have had to use their weapons.

My issue is with all the folks who want to get a CCP not because they need it but because they want to prove something to themselves or others. These are the folks you need to worry about. They fantasize about daring shootouts and staring down the bad guys, and these situations only occur on TV or in the movies.

 

[Xaquin44]

...is your goal to just be pedantic or do you honestly think that the only thing keeping people from murdering one another over traffic altercations is the general prohibition in Maryland on carrying a weapon?

not at all.

Do you think the only thing that would keep marylands citizens safe is everyone carrying a gun?

 

[Larry Gude]

That's...

The truth that firearms are used in self-defense everyday is not in dispute. My point is that the people who use these weapons are usually people with a need to use them, i.e., they live/work in high-risk areas, they work in high-risk jobs, they have abusive spouses, etc. These are folks who have a genuine need to carry as evidenced by the number of times these people have had to use their weapons.

My issue is with all the folks who want to get a CCP not because they need it but because they want to prove something to themselves or others. These are the folks you need to worry about. They fantasize about daring shootouts and staring down the bad guys, and these situations only occur on TV or in the movies.

...a valid concern, but, the solution is to not 'ban' the right to self defense. Good lord, tell a liberal kids are gonna have sex or do drugs and the first thing they wanna do is hand out stuff so that they learn to do it better and safer under the logical premise that education and training is better than not.

Mention self defense and they instantly morph into the 'just say no' brigade.

I think anyone who wants a CCP should have to pass an annual, solid weapons safety and use test and take an extensive weapon safety and training course if they fail. It's bad enough what happens to many cops the first time they have to present their weapon in a dangerous, tense situation let alone some guy who has a P7 and has shot 20 rounds through it in 5 years and can't remember how it works.

 

[Larry Gude]

Is that...

not at all.

Do you think the only thing that would keep marylands citizens safe is everyone carrying a gun?

...the question to ask?

Maryland, legislatively, could not care less about public safety. No one who was ever interested in power wanted the masses to be armed.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

...the question to ask?

Maryland, legislatively, could not care less about public safety. No one who was ever interested in power wanted the masses to be armed.

One insignificant/irrelevant; whichever term you choose to use; point is this: if Maryland was ruled a "Shall-Issue" state; like VA, PA and WV;
our neighbors; and Marylanders were allowed to apply for a CCW and receive one after all the hoops had been jumped through; and everybody had one (for argument's sake) the violent crime rate would drop. At least I would like to think it would.

Why? Another example; The waitress or office worker who gets off work at 10:30 at night. It's dark. Two masked assailants attempt to rob these folks. If all Marylander's had a CCW permit, these masked idiots JUST MIGHT think, "Hmm, why is she reaching into her waistband?"

By then it's too late for the would-be attacker. His brains; or some form of his anatomy would be out there for all to see.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

 

[Larry Gude]

As a simple...

the violent crime rate would drop. At least I would like to think it would. .

...statistical, actual, absolute fact is that it WOULD.

We live a world where people are free to believe whatever they wish, facts or no.

 

[Xaquin44]

Gary, Indiana: Indiana was among the first shall issue CCW states, enacting its law even before Florida. Gary, located in the Northwestern part of the state, has led the nation in homicides per 100,000 residents for most of the past 15 years, including 71 in 2007 for a murder rate of approximately 75 per 100,000 residents; for those of you who are wondering, that's 11 times higher than NYC's murder rate, meaning if Gary were the same size as NYC with this same exact murder rate, it would have had a mind-boggling 5,300 murders. Clearly, CCW by law abiding citizens has not made Gary any less dangerous. In this case, being armed has not made law abiding citizens any safer from the thugs and gangbangers who roam the city at will, obviously undeterred by a CCW law that has been on the books for more than two decades.

thanks to tattedupboy.