Time to grow up and put your guns away

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

...statistical, actual, absolute fact is that it WOULD.

We live a world where people are free to believe whatever they wish, facts or no.

My point is this; if Maryland was made a "Shall-Issue" state which allowed folks (we all know "what kind" of folks) to get a CCW, the violent crime rate would drop because then who knows who is "strapped" and who isn't.
Well, I better not f*** with him (or her) he(she) might have a gun somewhere.

"A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone."

"Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early do."
Larry the Cable Guy

 

[desertrat]

One insignificant/irrelevant; whichever term you choose to use; point is this: if Maryland was ruled a "Shall-Issue" state; like VA, PA and WV;
our neighbors; and Marylanders were allowed to apply for a CCW and receive one after all the hoops had been jumped through; and everybody had one (for argument's sake) the violent crime rate would drop. At least I would like to think it would.

Why? Another example; The waitress or office worker who gets off work at 10:30 at night. It's dark. Two masked assailants attempt to rob these folks. If all Marylander's had a CCW permit, these masked idiots JUST MIGHT think, "Hmm, why is she reaching into her waistband?"

By then it's too late for the would-be attacker. His brains; or some form of his anatomy would be out there for all to see.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

Exactly. Then how do you suppose the state would justify it's upping the budget for "law enforcement" all the time though? They'd have to cut back, unacceptable. A trained, armed, safer population and a dwindling police department? Not gonna happen.

 

[Xaquin44]

Exactly. Then how do you suppose the state would justify it's upping the budget for "law enforcement" all the time though? They'd have to cut back, unacceptable. A trained, armed, safer population and a dwindling police department? Not gonna happen.

trained armed and safer?

how?

heck, you saw the headlines of the cops who put 50 bullets into that one guy who didn't even have a gun.

train all you want, but nothing will ever be the exact same as the situation you (may one day but not likely) be in.

what if you save the day and shoot the bank robber. But you only hit him in the stomach because you were nervous and he moved.

no instead of a guy running away with some money you have a wounded criminal with a gun with nothing to lose.

good job?

 

[desertrat]

trained armed and safer?

how?

heck, you saw the headlines of the cops who put 50 bullets into that one guy who didn't even have a gun.

train all you want, but nothing will ever be the exact same as the situation you (may one day but not likely) be in.

what if you save the day and shoot the bank robber. But you only hit him in the stomach because you were nervous and he moved.

no instead of a guy running away with some money you have a wounded criminal with a gun with nothing to lose.

good job?

I wouldn't shoot anyone unless they were about to harm someone. Even then, just pulling the gun would most likely be deterent enough.

 

[Xaquin44]

I wouldn't shoot anyone unless they were about to harm someone. Even then, just pulling the gun would most likely be deterent enough.

I can see the sense in that, but what qualifies you to tell exactly what is going down?

certain cases may be obvious, but certainly not all will be.

edit: and pulling a gun may diffuse some situations, but may just as easily escalate others.

 

[sommpd]

No dum dum, you check YOUR facts.

1. Not all Chesters have access to guns.
2. I'm no kid. In fact, I'm quite sure I'm older than you.
3. I am a special person and you aren't man enough.
4. I didn't say you reported it. Guilty conscience??
5. You are a pussy.

While I have mixed feelings on this subject, I should point out that most people arrested and convicted of a child sex offense are first time offenders. They would have access to guns because up until that point they were never convicted of any crimes.

I would advocate allowing guns to those who pass background checks to include polygraph and pshychological examinations.

 

[desertrat]

I can see the sense in that, but what qualifies you to tell exactly what is going down?

certain cases may be obvious, but certainly not all will be.

It could be difficult, granted. I'm sure there are cases that you can think of, however, where it's very clear cut and someone with a gun, intervening, would have made a big difference, though.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

Exactly. Then how do you suppose the state would justify it's upping the budget for "law enforcement" all the time though? They'd have to cut back, unacceptable. A trained, armed, safer population and a dwindling police department? Not gonna happen.

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You're talking about something else entirely different.

I didn't say ANYTHING about a dwindling police department.

YES, theoretically the population would be trained, armed and safer; if you want to speak in theoreticals; but I said nothing about a dwindling police department.

My point is, the police can't be everywhere all the time.

I just hope for your sake you don't find that out first-hand.

"A GUN IN THE HAND IS BETTER THAN A COP ON THE PHONE"

 

[desertrat]

While I have mixed feelings on this subject, I should point out that most people arrested and convicted of a child sex offense are first time offenders. They would have access to guns because up until that point they were never convicted of any crimes.

I would advocate allowing guns to those who pass background checks to include polygraph and pshychological examinations.

Even convicted criminals can get guns. They aren't afraid to carry either.

 

[_MightyMouse_]

Well, I keep my guns under the sleeves of my shirt so does this pertain to the thread.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

I can see the sense in that, but what qualifies you to tell exactly what is going down?

certain cases may be obvious, but certainly not all will be.
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That's when you keep your nose out of it, reach for the cell phone and call the cops.

See? Common sense; not something we've talked a whole lot about in this thread.

"A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone."

 

[desertrat]

I can see the sense in that, but what qualifies you to tell exactly what is going down?

certain cases may be obvious, but certainly not all will be.
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That's when you keep your nose out of it, reach for the cell phone and call the cops.

See? Common sense; not something we've talked a whole lot about in this thread.

"A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone."

There ya' go.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

Even convicted criminals can get guns. They aren't afraid to carry either.

Not if they do it legally. But we're not talking about criminals getting guns.
H*ll, they can get a gun a WHOLE LOT easier than "Law-Abiding Larry" because Larry has to jump through legal hoops and pay licencing fees and take a course just to buy a gun legally; not to mention, pass a background check; to get a permit to carry a gun.

 

[desertrat]

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You're talking about something else entirely different.

I didn't say ANYTHING about a dwindling police department.

YES, theoretically the population would be trained, armed and safer; if you want to speak in theoreticals; but I said nothing about a dwindling police department.

My point is, the police can't be everywhere all the time.

I just hope for your sake you don't find that out first-hand.

"A GUN IN THE HAND IS BETTER THAN A COP ON THE PHONE"

I'm not sure you realize we are on the same side in this.

I need to work on my communication skills I guess.

 

[edinsomd]

Gary, Indiana: Indiana was among the first shall issue CCW states, enacting its law even before Florida. Gary, located in the Northwestern part of the state, has led the nation in homicides per 100,000 residents for most of the past 15 years, including 71 in 2007 for a murder rate of approximately 75 per 100,000 residents; for those of you who are wondering, that's 11 times higher than NYC's murder rate, meaning if Gary were the same size as NYC with this same exact murder rate, it would have had a mind-boggling 5,300 murders. Clearly, CCW by law abiding citizens has not made Gary any less dangerous. In this case, being armed has not made law abiding citizens any safer from the thugs and gangbangers who roam the city at will, obviously undeterred by a CCW law that has been on the books for more than two decades.

thanks to tattedupboy.

You like to cherry-pick stats? OK, check out the town of Kennesaw, Ga.
Gun Ownership Mandatory in Kennesaw, Georgia
Ed

 

[Baja28]

You like to cherry-pick stats? OK, check out the town of Kennesaw, Ga.
Gun Ownership Mandatory in Kennesaw, Georgia
Ed

Yes and go thoroughly read the articles on Gary, IN and why the homicide rate is so high. Typical liberal, leaves out all of the facts.

And like every year for decades, the victims are overwhelmingly young, black men who were shot to death, some in disputes over drugs or money, some because of gang affiliation and some for no reason at all.<span class="redtext"><b id="red">The Killing Streets: </b></span>Gary leads nation in homicides :: The Killing Streets :: Post-Tribune

These are your law abiding citizens with ccp.

 

[Xaquin44]

You like to cherry-pick stats? OK, check out the town of Kennesaw, Ga.
Gun Ownership Mandatory in Kennesaw, Georgia
Ed

"Kennesaw Georgia passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in their home"

good article.

I have 4 so I guess I'm safe ....

 

[Bruzilla]

Why? Another example; The waitress or office worker who gets off work at 10:30 at night. It's dark. Two masked assailants attempt to rob these folks. If all Marylander's had a CCW permit, these masked idiots JUST MIGHT think, "Hmm, why is she reaching into her waistband?"

By then it's too late for the would-be attacker. His brains; or some form of his anatomy would be out there for all to see.

A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

Maybe on TV that's the way it happens. In the real world, the waitress or office worker gets off work. It's dark, meaning she can't see much. Two masked assailants will be well hidden as walking about with masks on is a bit obvious. The woman goes to her car and the two guys blitz her. She gets shoved into her car, and then to the ground. She starts strugging to get some space between her and her attackers, and the desire to get her gun is secondary. If it's in her purse (which 99% of the time it will be) the assailants get it when they grab her purse and take off. If it's a guy and he has a holstered weapon, he's probably going to be a twit and have the gun on his stroung hand side... which is the hand that he'll use to get himself up off the ground, turn himself over, etc., and he won't be able to get his gun with his weak hand. As soon as the assailants get what they want, they split.

 

[edinsomd]

Maybe on TV that's the way it happens. In the real world, the waitress or office worker gets off work. It's dark, meaning she can't see much. Two masked assailants will be well hidden as walking about with masks on is a bit obvious. The woman goes to her car and the two guys blitz her. She gets shoved into her car, and then to the ground. She starts strugging to get some space between her and her attackers, and the desire to get her gun is secondary. If it's in her purse (which 99% of the time it will be) the assailants get it when they grab her purse and take off. If it's a guy and he has a holstered weapon, he's probably going to be a twit and have the gun on his stroung hand side... which is the hand that he'll use to get himself up off the ground, turn himself over, etc., and he won't be able to get his gun with his weak hand. As soon as the assailants get what they want, they split.

Oooh, lets play "what if". Lets say the waitress/office worker is savvy and smart. It’s late and she's in a not so nice part of town. She opens her purse and grips her Ladysmith in there with her strong hand and her car keys in the other. She's watchful and alert as she approaches her car. The two asshats break cover; she pulls the handgun from her purse and displays the business end to them. The aforementioned asshats have a sudden change of heart and leave most ricky-tic. No shots, no crime, no foul. Events like this happen, if I read the stats correctly, about two million times each year in the US.
Ed

 

[AK-74me]

Every month American Rifleman prints the "Armed Citizen" which gives about 8 examples a month of citizens taking up arms legally and saving themselves or others against an armed bad guy.

They must be making all those stories up.

Bru, you say you get tired of carrying a gun. I carry a gun up to 72 hours a week, I don't think a few more that I spend in public during my personal time will affect me.