Tortured Iraqis

dustin

UAIOE
Originally posted by Ken King
Anyone ever gone through a SERE school that wasn't stripped down and humiliated? That's how it was when I went through and there were females there then too.

From what I hear they still do it that way Ken. Don't ask me how I know either...


I dissapprove of physical torture. But I'm all about the mental stuff! :yay: I'm sure some police departments, FBI, CIA, and other nonamers here in the states have been doing it as well to no concern.

Liberal News media money-grubbin bastages. :burning:
 

vraiblonde

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Miss Hillary gave a statement today about how horrible the "atrocities" committed on Iraqi POWs were. Funny to note that when the US troops were burned, dismembered and hung over a bridge, she didn't have a thing to say about it. I guess she didn't find that particularly "atrocious".
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Originally posted by vraiblonde
No, Saddam's not back :lol: US troops have taken to humiliation tactics with POWs - stripping them and making fun of their package, hooding them and hooking them up to fake wires, that sort of things.

The media nancys are calling this torture. I'm not impressed - to me, torture is physical harm. This is just mental warfare and no one's getting hurt. I personally could give a crap about some poor widdle POW - these are Iraqi soldiers who are trying to kill our people. They're also trying to prevent the forming of a reasonable government in Iraq. To hell with them.

Curious what everyone else thinks?

AMEN!! COmpared to what they do to OUR prisoners/ hostages.. this is NOTHING.. none of them have shown up in an alley shot in the back of the head.. just the liberal media trying to make something out of nothing ot hurt Bush!!
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Re: Re: Tortured Iraqis

Originally posted by itsbob
AMEN!! just the liberal media trying to make something out of nothing ot hurt Bush!!
:boo: And you know what? That just about says it all.........

The Liberal media is having a field day with this. I don't know what else could drive home that fact more pointedly.

These people remind me of vultures in the meadows on a tree limb, just waiting for something putrid to show up, so they can jump all over it.

Sick bastages.:burning:

If they could do it any better, they ought to have to b@lls to go over there and play the game with those radicals and see what kind of results they can obtain. NOT!
 

SuperGrover

jack of all trades
Originally posted by mojorisin
I agree with you on this one. The problem is the liberal ass media. They need to STFU already. If they want to ##### about the way the military is handling its business I suggest they enlist and see if they can do a better job or STFU!

two documents that come to mind... (nothing do do with being a liberal, right-wing, etc)
Uniform Code of Military Justice
The Geneva Convention

In reality, these NCOs and Officers have, by performing that acts as they have, actually added "more fuel to the fire" in Iraq.

Those who were merely by-standers or fence-sitters now have something to be outraged about and join the bands of guerillas who are attacking our troops.

We cannot take to the tatics of the regime that we just ousted and if we do, we are no better than they were!
 

Ken King

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Originally posted by SuperGrover
two documents that come to mind... (nothing do do with being a liberal, right-wing, etc)
Uniform Code of Military Justice
The Geneva Convention

In reality, these NCOs and Officers have, by performing that acts as they have, actually added "more fuel to the fire" in Iraq.

Those who were merely by-standers or fence-sitters now have something to be outraged about and join the bands of guerillas who are attacking our troops.

We cannot take to the tatics of the regime that we just ousted and if we do, we are no better than they were!
It needs to be kept in perspective. They have charged 6 or 7 culprits out of 150,000 troops. If only our mainstream society had that ratio of good to bad. These people might all be guilty of violation of law, rule or regulation, but guess what, it is a matter for the military to handle and not a civil court and certainly not the court of public opinion or the media.

As to the UCMJ, aren't they being investigated and handled under that doctrine? It sounds that way to me from what I have been seeing, hearing, and reading. Yet the media wants it to play out in front of their cameras. Show me where they have that right.

We might have had a handful that have gone outside the realm of acceptable conduct but don't judge the whole on the acts of a few. Unlike the vermin we face we will take care of them in an appropriate matter. But as has been pointed out before and experienced by myself, some of what they are calling abuse (stripping down, hooding, and humiliation) is part of training that we have been subjected to. If a rape has happened that soldier will get the maximum allowable punishment, you can bet on that. If deaths have been caused by the prison guards those responsible will be brought to military justice. That is our way, it will happen.

As to adding fuel to the fire, those holding out and keeping the war going don’t need any fuel. We could be feeding the prisoners the best, letting them live in Saddam’s old palaces, and these fanatics would still be murdering those that get in their way. They have no government to surrender and it works into their style of fighting to a tea. They will use any excuse they can to keep their jihad (in the worst sense of the word) going.

As to the Geneva Convention (if these individuals are POW’s and not just criminals) there might be a few violations, but what does the Convention say about belligerents that don't wear uniforms that indiscriminately kill civilians as they conduct their campaign, and that use weapons that kill and/or maim other then combatants like the improvised explosive devices do? What does it say about the treatment of the remains of opposing forces or the treatment of the troops that they take prisoner? Have you forgotten about those bodies found outside the hospital where Pvt. Lynch was rescued or what has happened to the soldier snatched from the convoy? In combat a force usually doesn’t drag the dead bodies of their enemy for miles only to bury them away from where they were killed. What about the non-combatant civilians that have been taken hostage and used as bartering devices, any clue as to what it says about that tactic? What about the remains of the contractor security forces that were burned, drug around on public display, mutilated, and hung on public display for the press to show like trophies on a wall, what does the Geneva Convention say about that? Oh yeah, the poor Iraqis and outsiders don’t have to comply with the rules only us. Where is the outcry from the media and world on that?
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by Ken King
Where is the outcry from the media and world on that?
Right here, friend :howdy: And my bebe mama was over tonight and she feels the same way. Quote: "Those effers are over there trying to kill our Doug and I'm supposed to feel SORRY for them getting drug around on a leash???????"
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by SuperGrover
We cannot take to the tatics of the regime that we just ousted and if we do, we are no better than they were!
When we start cutting off body parts, THEN we'll be like Saddam.
 

SmallTown

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Originally posted by Ken King
Oh yeah, the poor Iraqis and outsiders don’t have to comply with the rules only us. Where is the outcry from the media and world on that?

Just love this little childhood behavior people are spouting off about. "Little Johnhy is doing it, why can't I?"

Following in the steps of chaos is not a sure way to bring stability to the region.

At least when people go on the "They do it, so we can do it" rants they at least understand that we should not be doing it.

And all of the BS about the liberal media. The media only shows what they are given. I was brought up with the notion of "If you don't want the whole world to know what you are doing, don't do it" They did it, the world knows, now we sit back and see what happens.

But I definately draw the line when people start asking rumsfeld to resign over the issue
 

Vince

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Originally posted by Ken King
Anyone ever gone through a SERE school that wasn't stripped down and humiliated? That's how it was when I went through and there were females there then too.
Been there and done that a long time ago. This was before they stopped the waterboard.
 

Tonio

Asperger's Poster Child
Originally posted by SuperGrover
We cannot take to the tatics of the regime that we just ousted and if we do, we are no better than they were!

I can see that side of the argument. At the same time, I can understand why our soldiers would turn beet-red with rage over seeing how the people in Fallujah treated American citizens, and react on pure rage and emotion when entrusted with Iraqi POWs. I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who wanted to pummel bin Laden to death right after 9/11.
 

Ken King

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Originally posted by SmallTown
And all of the BS about the liberal media. The media only shows what they are given. I was brought up with the notion of "If you don't want the whole world to know what you are doing, don't do it" They did it, the world knows, now we sit back and see what happens.
:bs: The media, for the most part, currently is only showing what will make the administration and the troops look bad. Which might be justified for a couple of these people right now, but as a whole they haven't spent much time on the good that is being done because it won't garner them any ratings or sell their rags. They think the people only want to see the absurd and horrific. They have access to a lot more then what they are showing but have chosen to only display what gets them the most "shock and awe". They have judged and convicted those they think are involved without benefit of the process of an investigation and trial.
 

dustin

UAIOE
Originally posted by SmallTown

And all of the BS about the liberal media. The media only shows what they are given. I was brought up with the notion of "If you don't want the whole world to know what you are doing, don't do it" They did it, the world knows, now we sit back and see what happens.

The media shows what will make them money.

But I definately draw the line when people start asking rumsfeld to resign over the issue

Totally agree!!! :cheers: You won't see these same people campaigning to get him resigned over things like the military suicide rate and car accident deaths. These are still big issues!!! Not like it has ANYTHING to do with the upcoming elections :lol:
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
Originally posted by SmallTown


But I definately draw the line when people start asking rumsfeld to resign over the issue

:yeahthat: I drew the line when they started referring to the soldiers actions as "atrocities". :duh:
 

SmallTown

Football season!
Originally posted by Ken King
:bs: The media, for the most part, currently is only showing what will make the administration and the troops look bad.

The point being, had the soldiers not been engaged in such activities, there would be no pictures to show all over the news. Sure it is easy to blame the media, but lets not forget that the people behind the actions are not blameless. Without the news putting the stuff out, you get into coverups. Which, after the last administration, we are all too familiar with.
 

Club'nBabySeals

Where are my pants?
The point being, had the soldiers not been engaged in such activities, there would be no pictures to show all over the news.


Sort of reminds me of the punks and otherwise disenchanged High School age folks that go around bashing up mailboxes and paint-balling joggers-----and have the keen presence of mind to VIDEOTAPE themselves.

I'm not shedding a tear because Hassan got his winkie laughed at, but I do have to question exactly what would posess those military guards to take photographs.
 

Ken King

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Originally posted by SmallTown
The point being, had the soldiers not been engaged in such activities, there would be no pictures to show all over the news. Sure it is easy to blame the media, but lets not forget that the people behind the actions are not blameless. Without the news putting the stuff out, you get into coverups. Which, after the last administration, we are all too familiar with.
It wasn't "the soldiers" doing anything, if in fact it did occur (not saying they didn't do it but what exactly was done will come out in the investigation process and that is still ongoing), it is only a handful of folk being accused, not all soldiers. That's the point that you and the media aren't talking about and that is what is adding "fuel to the fire". The generalization that all the troops must be doing this and that we are going to cover it up is what bothers me the most.
 

SmallTown

Football season!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/07/politics.abuse.main/index.html


"If there's a failure, it's me. It's my failure for not understanding and knowing that there were hundreds -- or however many there are of these things -- that could eventually end up in the public and do the damage they've done," Rumsfeld said, talking about photographs of the abuse.

"But I certainly never gave the president a briefing with the impact that one would have had you seen the photographs or the video. I mean, let there be no doubt about that. He was just as blindsided as the Congress and me and everyone else."

Rumsfeld revealed that videos and "a lot more pictures" exist of the abuse of prisoners at the prison.
 
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