Tortured Iraqis

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
It was that Vrai defends his every move without regard to her own beliefs if she has any.

You must have missed all the posts where I said Bush was a candyass and how much I can't stand neocons.



So don't be talking about ME not having any beliefs, Mr. Man - I stick by MY beliefs regardless of what President Wimpy does.

In fact, I find it amusing that you'd say anything like that, considering you bust on Bush no matter WHAT he does. Talk about marching in lockstep.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
You must have missed all the posts where I said Bush was a candyass and how much I can't stand neocons.



So don't be talking about ME not having any beliefs, Mr. Man - I stick by MY beliefs regardless of what President Wimpy does.

In fact, I find it amusing that you'd say anything like that, considering you bust on Bush no matter WHAT he does. Talk about marching in lockstep.

Im sorry that I missed your posts of the past. Perhaps you have done the same with my posts of the present where I said Bush was a nice guy.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
I'm sure you would have just been so proud had it been your son in the pictures doing these things. I'm sure you would have been posting them all over this website and all over frederick saying "Look, this is my baby!"

Are you kidding me??? These people are shooting at him, blowing up buildings that he could be in and planting explosive devices that he has to go help track down.

I don't give two sh*ts about these scumbags and their poor little exposed weenies. That's MY kid they're shooting at. They deserve a helluva lot more than to be drug around on a leash.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Are you kidding me??? These people are shooting at him, blowing up buildings that he could be in and planting explosive devices that he has to go help track down.

I don't give two sh*ts about these scumbags and their poor little exposed weenies. That's MY kid they're shooting at. They deserve a helluva lot more than to be drug around on a leash.

Well. I, and everyone else why enjoys the rights, freedoms, and protection that we hold so dear are grateful you are not in charge of making any "international laws". We are thankful we had rational, civilized people hashing out the "rules of war", especially when it comes to handling POWs and such.

Some, yourself included, feel that we shouldn't have to follow the rules if in a war. But this is exactly why we HAVE these rules. Without war, you wouldn't have a notion of POWs in the first place.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Without war, you wouldn't have a notion of POWs in the first place.

And without dirtbags like Saddam Hussein, there wouldn't BE any war. And if these POWs would quit blowing crap up, they wouldn't be POWs, now would they?

Just putting the blame where it belongs, friend.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
And without dirtbags like Saddam Hussein, there wouldn't BE any war. And if these POWs would quit blowing crap up, they wouldn't be POWs, now would they?

Just putting the blame where it belongs, friend.

It certainly takes more than one person to start a war.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Well. I, and everyone else why enjoys the rights, freedoms, and protection that we hold so dear are grateful you are not in charge of making any "international laws".

Pfft. My "international law" would be very simple - you eff with us, you're going to be very, very sorry.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Pfft. My "international law" would be very simple - you eff with us, you're going to be very, very sorry.

Sounds like Bush's foreign policy.:shrug:

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
And without dirtbags like Saddam Hussein, there wouldn't BE any war. And if these POWs would quit blowing crap up, they wouldn't be POWs, now would they?

Just putting the blame where it belongs, friend.

As if that makes a different when it comes to the rules of war? Like I said, war is the key word here. We have rules like this because if we didn't, people like you would be creating chaos throughout the world. Didn't your momma ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right

 

[czygvtwkr]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
It certainly takes more than one person to start a war.

Thats just what Europe said in 1938 and what we thought with Al Quada pre 9-11.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by czygvtwkr
Thats just what Europe said in 1938 and what we thought with Al Quada pre 9-11.

Did that one person alone do it. Hardly.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
Did that one person alone do it. Hardly.

So are you saying Poland provoked Hitler into invading it? We provoked Bin Laden into declaring war on the US?

If I go up to you and punch you in the nose would you just turn the other cheek? Remember it takes two to fight.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by czygvtwkr
So are you saying Poland provoked Hitler into invading it? We provoked Bin Laden into declaring war on the US?

Everyone provoked Hitler and Germany to do what they did. Even Karl Marx predicted this after WWI after we devastated they're economy and forced them to burn money instead of wood because the money was virtually worthless. When you are taking wheel barrowls full of money to buy one loaf of bread it is worthless. So in an essence everyone that was involved in WWI did provoke them to do what they did.

If I go up to you and punch you in the nose would you just turn the other cheek? Remember it takes two to fight.

If you punched me I would punch you right back. Isn't this what I said in my previous posts basically?

It certainly takes more than one person to start a war.

 

[jlabsher]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Are you kidding me??? These people are shooting at him, blowing up buildings that he could be in and planting explosive devices that he has to go help track down.

I don't give two sh*ts about these scumbags and their poor little exposed weenies. That's MY kid they're shooting at. They deserve a helluva lot more than to be drug around on a leash.

Vrai, the difference is your kid volunteered to be there, the Iraqis didn't ask us to come over and bomb their country. The mother of the dead babies didn't ask us to come over and kill her kids and blow up her home. Bush did it for reasons argued here ad-nauseum. I don't want to hear one peep out of you about him having a hard time over there, you have argued about what a righteous thing the war was for over 18 months.

 

[itsbob]

I think the bottom line is, someone define torture.. and on WHo's term's? America's? Saudi? Iraqi?? What I have seen on TV is nothing worse then college frat day hazing.. no dead bodies shot in the head, dumped in an alley, every bone in their body broken.

I think it ludicrous that Iraqis are out there demonstrating about how we are treating our prisoners, knowing full well that if it was on of ours we would be displaying tortured and mutilated bodies, not naked bodies... *OH MY, the HUMANITY!!*

SOmone tell me how Gen John Pershing handled the problems he had with Muslim Terrorist's in his day.... and which was more effective in dealing with the problem.

The press just handed the terrorists, AL Queada, and Osama another victory, making a big deal of nothing.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by itsbob
I think the bottom line is, someone define torture.. and on WHo's term's? America's? Saudi? Iraqi?? What I have seen on TV is nothing worse then college frat day hazing.. no dead bodies shot in the head, dumped in an alley, every bone in their body broken.

The difference being this is not a frat, the POWs are not pledges for the "Bomb-Rape-Sodomize" Frat.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by itsbob
making a big deal of nothing.

We are now having our soldiers Court-martialed for nothing. Oh the insanity.

 

[SuperGrover]

the bottom line is that we are a civilized nation and as such should strive to be on a higher ground than Sadam's regime. as the words of mis-treatment of prisoners goes around iraq, it is making it harder for our service members, NOT EASIER, to come off as people who are trying to help the general population. The guerillas use these images as proof that WE are not there to help them but to harm them and recruit more guerillas. the mistreatment end up getting MORE of our service members killed, not less. does not help our efforts!

as a soldier, you are bound by the geneva convention and are constantly reminded of it. not only that, but they have rules of engagement... which are usually more stringent than a police officer (which i usually dont agree with if you are in a police action stage!). break any of the laws/regs, and you deserve the appropriate punishment.

 

[vraiblonde]

JLab, ST, BuddyLee and Grover: You guys are all nuts.

ST thinks it's people like me that create chaos in the world, not people like Saddam Hussien and Osama bin Laden.

BL thinks the US provoked Hitler into sending Jews into the ovens.

JLab thinks the Iraqis liked ol' Saddam just fine and hate us for being mean to their torturers.

Grover thinks that you shouldn't make terrorists mad by actually standing up to them.

Hate America First - never mind the pesky details.

 

[SuperGrover]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
JLab, ST, BuddyLee and Grover: You guys are all nuts.

Grover thinks that you shouldn't make terrorists mad by actually standing up to them.

Hate America First - never mind the pesky details.

doing stupid things in iraq does not equal standing up to terrorists or guerillas. it's just being stupid!

let's look at LtCol West, he knew what he did was wrong and even publically stated that he should not go unpunished... these people who were horseplaying and those who might have actually contributed to the deaths of some prisoners, WHERE's your HONOR and COURAGE to come forward take your punishment for dishonoring the uniform.


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"There is no question that these pictures that we have seen ... of misbehavior on the part of American troops makes our work much more difficult," Mr. Powell said, referring to graphic photographs of U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners in a prison west of Baghdad.

"We are all distressed by these scenes. ... They are deplorable, they are unacceptable, they need to be dealt with," he said in an interview with Agence France-Presse.