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5 year old shot and killed by cop
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I know of accidents where average citizens have caused the deaths of others in the jurisdiction I work Lugnut. In those cases, the average citizen, who has not acted in malice nor had the intent to cause another's death, have not been charged with murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide.
I am reasonably certain, as in this case that a prosecutor would have reviewed the case and determined the officers should not be charged with negligent homicide, manslaughter, or murder.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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I am saying that if I and a police officer were both pulled over by the SAME cop for the SAME traffic infraction, I would be more likely to get a ticket. Plain and simple.
Just an fyi, you're flip-flopping...
smcop said:
smcop said:
Should I define "always" for you? It doesn't just mean "tend to"
Lugnut
I'm Rick James #####!
Thanks.I'm finding that the way I THINK things work and the way things ACTUALLY work in the legal system are sometimes vastly different. Probably because Ihave rather limited experience with it.
I am saying that if I and a police officer were both pulled over by the SAME cop for the SAME traffic infraction, I would be more likely to get a ticket. Plain and simple.
Not by me. You both would have an equal chance of driving away without a ticket. I can only speak for myself, and what I know. You like to throw things in that just are your opinions and make them fact.
Should I define "always" for you? It doesn't just mean "tend to"
I made a mistake. I am sure in my career I have written a military person a ticket. I should have said I tend to give them a break. Just as I tend to give people who are polite, respectfull, and honest a break. Always!
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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Gotcha.I still don't think anyone should be held at a higher standard, no matter what their chosen profession, but such is life.
that you would admit to making any type of mistake!I think police officers should absolutely be held to a higher STANDARD when it comes to conduct.
I still don't think anyone should be held at a higher standard, no matter what their chosen profession, but such is life.
I will give you a for instance. This other police bashing thread about the police officer shooting the woman in California. If the investigation reveals the police officer acted illegally, then I think he/she should receive the maxium penalty. I have always said when police do something that is corrupt, or abuse their authority, then the should be held accountable and receive the maximum penalty which fits the infraction.
mAlice
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I get confused when people talk out both sides of their mouth, so I'm gonna' have to put you on iggy.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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Its not both sides of his mouth silly, a little bit is making its way out his mouth while he talks out his
News News Results for the Case In Question!!
Here is Justice at its best!
Fri September 7, 2007
Charges filed against police officers in Noble boy's death
By Jennifer Griswold
Staff Writer
NORMAN — Two police officers have been charged in Cleveland County District Court with second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of a young Noble boy Aug. 3.
Paul Bradley Rogers, 34, and Robert Shawn Richardson, 29, are accused of causing the death of Austin Haley, 5. by negligently firing at a snake. The bullet ricocheted and hit the child while he was outside fishing with his grandfather.
District Attorney Greg Mashburn announced the charges at a press conference at the courthouse this afternoon.
AND SOMETHING ELSE I FOUND. NOW THIS PART IS PURE
NORMAN — The father of 5-year-old Austin Haley says Cleveland County prosecutors have offered deferred sentences to two former Noble police officers charged with second-degree manslaughter in his son's death.
"It's nothing more than a slap on the wrist, if you ask me,” Jack Haley said.
According to Haley, sentencing for Paul Bradley Rogers, 34, and Robert Shawn Richardson, 29, would be deferred for two years in exchange for their entering guilty pleas. The men also would be fined $1,000 each and ordered to forfeit their state law enforcement certifications, he said.
Assistant District Attorney David Brockman said he could neither confirm nor deny that an offer has been made in the cases.
"We know the family is unhappy, but we can't comment on cases that are pending,” Brockman said.
Haley said Brockman and District Attorney Greg Mashburn told the family Monday the offer had been made.
What the family objects to most, Haley said, "is that they will serve no jail time.”
"This sweetheart deal doesn't serve us; it doesn't serve justice, and it doesn't serve the public,” he said.
The family still is grieving the loss of a child, Haley said, "and now this. This just makes it worse. We're the victims here, and we don't feel like we have an advocate.”
Austin Haley was killed Aug. 3 when a bullet from one of the officers' guns ricocheted and hit him while he was outside fishing with his grandfather. The officers were in a neighbor's yard, firing at a snake in a birdhouse.
Jack Haley said the family wanted the men to serve "maybe 30 to 90 days. They killed somebody because of their negligence. They shouldn't get deferred sentences that can be expunged from their record after two years are up.”
Brockman said prosecutors have kept the Haley family informed "every step of the way in this process. I can't say they've agreed with everything, but they've been informed.”
But Haley said until Monday he thought prosecutors were talking about some jail time, "like, maybe 30 days.”
On Monday, he said, the family learned the two men had waived their rights to a preliminary hearing and a disposition date for the cases had been set.
"We were told then the offer already had been made,” Jack Haley said.
Here is Justice at its best!
Fri September 7, 2007
Charges filed against police officers in Noble boy's death
By Jennifer Griswold
Staff Writer
NORMAN — Two police officers have been charged in Cleveland County District Court with second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of a young Noble boy Aug. 3.
Paul Bradley Rogers, 34, and Robert Shawn Richardson, 29, are accused of causing the death of Austin Haley, 5. by negligently firing at a snake. The bullet ricocheted and hit the child while he was outside fishing with his grandfather.
District Attorney Greg Mashburn announced the charges at a press conference at the courthouse this afternoon.
AND SOMETHING ELSE I FOUND. NOW THIS PART IS PURE
NORMAN — The father of 5-year-old Austin Haley says Cleveland County prosecutors have offered deferred sentences to two former Noble police officers charged with second-degree manslaughter in his son's death.
"It's nothing more than a slap on the wrist, if you ask me,” Jack Haley said.
According to Haley, sentencing for Paul Bradley Rogers, 34, and Robert Shawn Richardson, 29, would be deferred for two years in exchange for their entering guilty pleas. The men also would be fined $1,000 each and ordered to forfeit their state law enforcement certifications, he said.
Assistant District Attorney David Brockman said he could neither confirm nor deny that an offer has been made in the cases.
"We know the family is unhappy, but we can't comment on cases that are pending,” Brockman said.
Haley said Brockman and District Attorney Greg Mashburn told the family Monday the offer had been made.
What the family objects to most, Haley said, "is that they will serve no jail time.”
"This sweetheart deal doesn't serve us; it doesn't serve justice, and it doesn't serve the public,” he said.
The family still is grieving the loss of a child, Haley said, "and now this. This just makes it worse. We're the victims here, and we don't feel like we have an advocate.”
Austin Haley was killed Aug. 3 when a bullet from one of the officers' guns ricocheted and hit him while he was outside fishing with his grandfather. The officers were in a neighbor's yard, firing at a snake in a birdhouse.
Jack Haley said the family wanted the men to serve "maybe 30 to 90 days. They killed somebody because of their negligence. They shouldn't get deferred sentences that can be expunged from their record after two years are up.”
Brockman said prosecutors have kept the Haley family informed "every step of the way in this process. I can't say they've agreed with everything, but they've been informed.”
But Haley said until Monday he thought prosecutors were talking about some jail time, "like, maybe 30 days.”
On Monday, he said, the family learned the two men had waived their rights to a preliminary hearing and a disposition date for the cases had been set.
"We were told then the offer already had been made,” Jack Haley said.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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At least they are being charged
Foot-in-mouth, eh SM?
Foot-in-mouth, eh SM?
At least they are being charged
Foot-in-mouth, eh SM?
True at least they got charged and it said they pled guilty to get the deferred jail time .. yep SMCOP you can stick Both your feet in your mouth!!
Why? I said if the prosecutor changed his mind I would change mine!
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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So now you can't form your own opinions? You have to follow someone else's?
I'm just ####ingwith you because your opinion was actually supporting the cops in this one when it was fairly obvious they did something stupid
Nothing to do with the prosecutor you kept saying they shouldnt be charged it was an accident.
Besides that, can you have your own opinion? You gotta alot of BS with you. Take a side and stick with it. "If the prosecutor changes his mind I will change mine". I bet your a$$ really hurts from straddling fences.
Not straddling fences. When I first read this forum there was a tremendous amount of mis-information given. Ie; They cops came up and just fired without trying any other means of getting the snake out.
I don't have all the facts and neither do you! Part of forming my opinion was the prosector had declined to charge. That was a big part of it because the prosecutor has more information than all of us.
I'm straddling no fences. You expect the police to be perfect. You want to bash them but then you take the name of a known drug dealer..oh because it wasn't recent...even though he could have been sentenced to life in prison for his serious crime! Oh wait...you do this because it's convenient for you...he makes you laugh. You are no better than him.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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You are actually picking on someone for the name they use on an online forum? What if his name is really tim allen? he can't help that he shares a name with someone who dealt drugs AS A COLLEGE AGE KID. I mean, are you kidding me?
Hey dumba$$ the name I am using is my given name, go ahead use your computer to run my name... you probably will... I am not hiding behind a fake Screenname! You are the one that made references to Tim Allen the comedian so leave it alone already. Now the original news article and I read all the articles posted on the interent about this, stated that the officers tried to get the snake out of the birdhouse and couldnt so decided to shoot it, and no where in those articles did I read the prosecutor declined to charge them, Just waiting on the investigation, They were charged about a month after the shooting which would probably coincide with the investigation. I never said I expect Police Officers to be perfect, merely that they should have been charged with the crime committed no matter who they were. So you are the one who needs to get his facts straight..
Oh yeah and if you had read my response to you in another post about my name... I believe I said I think you are a self loathing arrogant SOB.. and you would say that I bash cops...which is not the case..I just dislike you!!!
