Cops In NO Confiscating Legally Owned Guns!

ylexot

Super Genius
AK-74me said:
Just owning a handgun in MD isn't that bad, you just have to register it with the State Police but that is no big deal. It is there non-existent granting of CHL's that pisses me off.
Have you bought one in the past couple of years? Here's a rundown of the laws:
1) It has to be on the "approved" list (not a big deal because just about everything is on the list).
2) If it's new, it has to come with a sealed/certified spent casing for entry into the "ballistics fingerprinting" database. This tends to push you towards used guns. And no, you can't take a gun to them, have them shoot a round, and enter that into the database...idiots.
3) If it was made in 2002 (I think) or later, it has to have a built-in trigger lock (new or used does not matter). When the law was written, there were only 5 or 6 guns made that meet that criteria and I don't think many have joined that list.

So yeah, getting a handgun in MD isn't so bad :rolleyes:
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
ylexot said:
Have you bought one in the past couple of years? Here's a rundown of the laws:
1) It has to be on the "approved" list (not a big deal because just about everything is on the list).
2) If it's new, it has to come with a sealed/certified spent casing for entry into the "ballistics fingerprinting" database. This tends to push you towards used guns. And no, you can't take a gun to them, have them shoot a round, and enter that into the database...idiots.
3) If it was made in 2002 (I think) or later, it has to have a built-in trigger lock (new or used does not matter). When the law was written, there were only 5 or 6 guns made that meet that criteria and I don't think many have joined that list.

So yeah, getting a handgun in MD isn't so bad :rolleyes:

I bought a used SIG p226 about a year ago, all I did was pay $10 transfer fee to the State Police and fill out a form, it took like 5 mins.

I do know about the other laws and yes they are BS I tried to get a Kimber 1911 about 6 months ago and found out I can't buy it as a new gun in MD. I am more into Milsurp and Evil Black Rifles though so I don't think about the handgun laws a whole lot. What I meant with that statement is that owning a handgun in MD is deffintely do able and people just shouldn't give up on the idea of getting handgun based on how bad they heard MD's handgun laws are.
 
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tikipirate

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This thread has deteriorated nicely, but I want to share what happens when legally-armed civilians are disarmed by the police.

The Korean merchant community in Los Angeles are big fans of gun ownership. Most shopkeepers are armed and proficient with their weapons. Every time I would go to the range there would be several Koreans practicing their skills.

During the 'Rodney King' riots, the merchants at one Korean shopping center created a perimeter around the parking lot with chained shopping carts and patrolled the roof with rifles. No looting there! ...until the police came and disarmed them. The shopping center was emptied out in minutes. I believe it was also set ablaze.

To protect and serve.
 
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czygvtwkr

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I think this has been blown out of proportion. My friend in NO called me and told me he was sitting at home in the dark with his 45. The cops came by earlier knocking on doors to see which houses had people in them and told him it would be a good idea to keep a guy close by if he had one.


Said the rotted meat in the freezer smelled really nasty when he got back after two weeks.
 

Lenny

Lovin' being Texican
I'm waiting for Mikulski and Clinton to introduce a similar bill in the Senate

Bruzilla said:
I saw that piece, and what really bothered me was how they showed that one cop holding the revolver upside-down using his fingertips, the same way they would hold up a gun that was evidence of a crime to the TV cameras! Plus that cop took the gun, but I didn't see them making any effort to document where the gun came from or who it belonged to, which made me wonder if that woman was ever going to see that revolver again.

And for the record, the revolver was unloaded when they took it from her, so it wasn't much of a threat.

Don't take any of this too lightly. You'll see a similar proposal in the U.S. Senate very very soon.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
MMDad said:
Don't get sensitive. I merely answered your question. And I have read it many times. Enough to recognize when people who say "That ain't constitutional" are wrong.

Do you really think that armed gangs roaming the streets, shooting at the people who are trying to help them doesn't constitute a rebellion? What does it take?
No, that is not a rebellion. Not only that, the suspention of habeas corpus is under Article I, the Congress. It takes an act of Congress to suspend habeas corpus.
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§ 1333. In order to understand the meaning of the terms here used, it will be necessary to have recourse to the common law; for in no other way can we arrive at the true definition of the writ of habeas corpus. At the common law there are various writs, called writs of habeas corpus. But the particular one here spoken of is that great and celebrated writ, used in all cases of illegal confinement, known by the name of the writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum, directed to the person detaining another, and commanding<!--[Volume 3, Page 342]--> him to produce the body of the prisoner, with the day and cause of his caption and detention, ad faciendum, subjiciendum, et recipiendum, to do, submit to, and receive, whatsoever the judge or court, awarding such writ, shall consider in that behalf. It is, therefore, justly esteemed the great bulwark of personal liberty; since it is the appropriate remedy to ascertain, whether any person is rightfully in confinement or not, and the cause of his confinement; and if no sufficient ground of detention appears, the party is entitled to his immediate discharge. This writ is most beneficially construed; and is applied to every case of illegal restraint, whatever it may be; for every restraint upon a man's liberty is, in the eye of the law, an imprisonment, wherever may be the place, or whatever may be the manner, in which the restraint is effected.

§ 1334. Mr. Justice Blackstone has remarked with great force, that "to bereave a man of life, or by violence to confiscate his estate without accusation or trial, would be so gross and notorious an act of despotism, as must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole kingdom. But confinement of the person by secretly hurrying him to gaol, where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten, is a less public, a less striking, and therefore a more dangerous engine of arbitrary force." While the justice of the remark must be felt by all, let it be remembered, that the right to pass bills of attainder in the British parliament still enables that body to exercise the summary and awful power of taking a man's life, and confiscating his estate, without accusation or trial. The learned commentator, however, has slid over this subject with surprising delicacy.

§ 1335. In England this is a high prerogative writ, issuing out of the Court of King's Bench, not only in term time, but in vacation, and running into all parts of the king's dominions; for it is said, that the king is entitled, at all times, to have an account, why the liberty of any of his subjects is restrained. It is grantable, however, as a matter of right, ex merito justitiae, upon the application of the subject. In England, however, the benefit of it was often eluded prior to the reign of Charles the Second; and especially during the reign of Charles the First. These pitiful evasions gave rise to the famous Habeas Corpus Act of 31 Car. 2, c. 2, which has been frequently considered, as another magna charta in that kingdom; and has reduced the general method of proceedings on these writs to the true standard of law and liberty. That statute has been, in substance, incorporated into the jurisprudence of every state in the Union; and the right to it has been secured in most, if not in all, of the state constitutions by a provision, similar to that existing in the constitution of the United States. It is not without reason, therefore, that the common law was deemed by our ancestors a part of the law of the land, brought with them upon their emigration, so far, as it was suited to their circumstances; since it affords the amplest protection for their rights and personal liberty. Congress have vested in the courts of the United States full authority to issue this great writ, in cases falling properly within the jurisdiction of the national government.

§ 1336. It is obvious, that cases of a peculiar emergency may arise, which may justify, nay even require, the temporary suspension of any right to the writ. But as it has frequently happened in foreign countries, and even in England, that the writ has, upon various pretexts and occasions, been suspended, whereby persons apprehended upon suspicion have suffered a long imprisonment, sometimes from design, and sometimes, because they were forgotten, the right to suspend it is expressly confined to cases of rebellion or invasion, where the public safety may require it. A very just and wholesome restraint, which cuts down at a blow a fruitful means of oppression, capable of being abused in bad times to the worst of purposes. Hitherto no suspension of the writ has ever been authorized by congress since the establishment of the constitution. It would seem, as the power is given to congress to suspend the writ of habeas corpus in cases of rebellion or invasion, that the right to judge, whether exigency had arisen, must exclusively belong to that body.
 

2ndAmendment

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PREMO Member
thakidistight said:
War vs security and clean up duty are two entirely different things! 19 year old soldiers in a war torn nation that have been there for a year or more are much more likely to snag something from a home than a soldier who is down to help evacuate and feed evacuees. Damn usually I agree with you, but I have to say I am disgusted by this post.
Sorry to offend. Let me try to explain. The temptation will be great; too much for some. Not all, soldiers or the general populace, have true character. What do you do if there is a million dollars worth of stuff that is known only by you and the absent owner? Leave it untouched? Take a little something? Take it all? That is a test of character. Some will pass. Some will fail.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
MMDad said:
I understand the outrage, but most people have never been in this situation. Have you ever had an Uzi, AK-47, or M-16 aimed at you? I have. NO is a war zone right now. The cops were doing their job. Why are these people still there?

The constitution says that they can force their way into our homes, can take our property, and can spirit us away. Our founding fathers understood that sometimes the s*** hits the fan, and you have to forget "rights" for a while. It's there. Look at 2A's post. It's right there in black and white.
Only if the right is suspended by Congress. That has not happened.
 

2ndAmendment

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Homesick said:
From this I got the Mayor ordered it.
Interesting note. As I understand it, there is no provision for declaring martial law under any Louisiana Constitution or law.
 

2ndAmendment

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MMDad said:
How long does it take to pull the gun if it is already in your hand? Can the cops pull their guns quicker?

My mom is a 64 year old who can out-shoot every cop I've ever met. Just because she's old doesn't mean she can't shoot.

Why do we excuse her? If she was a 23 year old male would that be okay? Cops are trying to stay alive. They came 2000 miles to help, and they are greeted by a woman with a gun. If I were on that jury, those cops would walk.
If I were on the jury, the cops would be guilty and the woman would walk.
 

2ndAmendment

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PREMO Member
MMDad said:
I know this isn't the place for this, but I don't know where else to put it. I've always been a strong supporter of gun owner rights, but I've never owned a gun. I think of a gun as a tool. If you don't need a hammer why own one? But I did learn to shoot. I did a cost/risk/benefit analysis and decided I didn't need a gun.

After seeing the gangs in NO, I changed my mind. I want the ability to protect my family. I'm thinking of a .22 rifle and a Mossburg 500. Keeps the cost low, gives me enough range for my neighborhood, as well as close in protection. Any suggestions?

Yes, as soon as the cops/guard/army show up I would immediately surrender my weapons if they ask. Now it's their problem, not mine. If you disagree, why do you pay taxes? Why don't you revolt?
First lesson - COPS CANNOT AND HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO PROTECT YOU OR YOUR PROPERTY.
Second Lesson - COPS CANNOT AND HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO PROTECT YOU OR YOUR PROPERTY.
Now that we have that out of the way.
Third Lesson - YOU MUST BE ABLE TO PROTECT YOURSELF, FAMILY, AND PROPERTY.

A 22 will only piss them off. Range is not an issue. Inside the home protection range is usually less than 10 feet. Get a handgun in at least 40 S&W. Walls won't stop even a 22, so bullet carry through is not a consideration. Besides, if you hit your target, the bullet should stay inside or have very little energy on exit.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
MMDad said:
I know this isn't the place for this, but I don't know where else to put it. I've always been a strong supporter of gun owner rights, but I've never owned a gun. I think of a gun as a tool. If you don't need a hammer why own one? But I did learn to shoot. I did a cost/risk/benefit analysis and decided I didn't need a gun.

After seeing the gangs in NO, I changed my mind. I want the ability to protect my family. I'm thinking of a .22 rifle and a Mossburg 500. Keeps the cost low, gives me enough range for my neighborhood, as well as close in protection. Any suggestions?

Yes, as soon as the cops/guard/army show up I would immediately surrender my weapons if they ask. Now it's their problem, not mine. If you disagree, why do you pay taxes? Why don't you revolt?
I would skip the 22 rifle, the shotgun you are on the right track, but you still have to worry about swinging a long barrel in what could be a tight closed in environment. Remington 870 would be my choice in home defense shotguns, can even get them with folding stocks, or with just a pistol grip.. small compact, easy to move with.

I'm old school when it comes to handguns, I own a 645 S&W that's been slightly customized, the most accurate .45 I've ever shot. But calibre doesn't matter as much as the ability to use it, and the ability to aim well. You have to have the mental fortitude to know you will shoot someone if you have to, nothing worse then someone taking your gun and shooting you with it. Don't believe what you read, there is no such thing as playing fair in a gunfight. Despite what the liberals say, you never shoot to wound, and you don's stop shooting until the threat has been stopped. You see it on the news all the time.. Why did you shoot him four or five times? Well, because he was still on his feet after the first three rounds.. DUH!! Why didn't you shoot him in the leg, or arm!?? Because that wouldn't have prevented him from killing me!! Leg nerves aren't directly connected to trigger finger nerves. And just showing a gun rarely stops a criminal intent on doing harm..

If someone in here does buy a gun because of what happened in NO, go take classes, learn how to use it, how to clean it, and how to handle it safely. Take a handgun selfdefense course, what it means to use it, not just to have it.. Be safe..

But off topic.. if anything should be learned from NO is this.. stock up on essentials in your home. how much drinkable bottled water do you have? One days worth? A weeks worth? how about 3 weeks worth? How about canned food? I think most of us in SOMD are in the same area of concern that NO was. How far underwater would your house be if we had a 25 - 35 foot storm surge here??
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Nope...

or with just a pistol grip

I'm a big enough dude and experienced with all kinds of firearms.

A 12 guage shotgun with JUST a pistol grip is a nightmare. It hurts to shoot it and it is NOT controlable. Pistol grip with a stock is fine.
 
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