Muhammad vs Jesus The Christ

[clevalley]

I do not quite understand the point but I do seem to agree with it.

In reading the previous posts it seemed there was an issue of the Bible was copied from the Quran and vice-versa, I was just trying to establish a time-line of what story was written first..

The old Testiment was written before Jesus came around.

The four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all written long after Jesus had died - risen - and left the scene.

The old and New Testiments were around before Muhammad but it was not made into a book (Bible) at that time (600 AD) so one must wonder how Muhammed even saw the New Testiment, even though it obviously was possible since it is referenced often.

And the Quran was written years after Muhammed preached and died.

So Jesus and Muhammed both brought messages and both did not write down anything and both had their words written by other people years after they died or "went to Heaven" as is said by both.

I believe that God gave that message (the Quran) to the Muslims, and the old Testiment was given to the Jews, and the New Testiment to the Christians, and by viewing it as the same God talking to different people then it all adds up perfectly.

hmmm.. not sure, from what I can remember the books of the Bible were notes/scrolls and writings from religious followers of God/Jesus over an ~1500 - 1600 year timespan - it was believed 66 authors are the ones whose scrolls were compiled and translated into what we know of today as the bible... it has been a long time since I studied this though... here is a handy-dandy chart that shows the approx. dates of the books when they were written...

That's all!

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

from what I can remember the books of the Bible were notes/scrolls and writings from religious followers of God/Jesus over an ~1500 - 1600 year timespan - it was believed 66 authors are the ones whose scrolls were compiled and translated into what we know of today as the bible... it has been a long time since I studied this though... here is a handy-dandy chart that shows the approx. dates of the books when they were written...

That's all!

What I mean by writing the Bible is not the same as when the books were originally written.

It is believed that the books of the New Testiment were written in the first and second centuries, but the scrolls being put together in the form of just one book - the Bible, came many years later.

There is some record that the Roman Church in around 300 AD decided which scrolls to keep and which not to include but the scrolls texts were not released to the general public or even to the local churches.

Then then Bible was written in Latin and the top elite were the only few to read the text for many long years. And that it was first printed in a full "Bible" text for the common people by Martin Luther in the 15th century or there about that time.

The King James Version came another 100 years or more later.

That is what I was refering to, so like it seems kind of perplexing how Muhammed and the Quran reflect on the New Testiment so well since in 600 AD the Christian Bible must have been available in some capacity to the Arabs of Arabia.

Or else there was some divine inspirations.

 

[Starman3000m]

I believe that God gave that message (the Quran) to the Muslims, and the old Testiment was given to the Jews, and the New Testiment to the Christians, and by viewing it as the same God talking to different people then it all adds up perfectly.

Hmmmm... it does not add up perfectly if the same God sends mixed messages to three different groups of people (Jews, Christians and Muslims) and expects them to proclaim to the world that each of their individual faith is really the True One.

I'm sure you may already know this but here is a refresher to help you comprehend that There Is Only One Truth:

1.) Orthodox Jews claim that Yeshua (Jesus) was a blasphemer, false prophet and the human son of a Roman Centurion. They deny that Jesus could have resurrected from the dead. Salvation is achieved by works.

2.) Muslims claim that Jesus' name is Isa', and that He was not the Divine Son of God but a prophet sent only to the Jewish people. Islam teaches that the Jews are apes and pigs and must be eliminated from the earth. Islam also teaches that Muhammad's "prophethood" supersedes that of Jesus. Additionally, Muslims teach that Salvation is by works and adherence to belief that Muhammad is the last and final prophet of God. However, the only guarantee a Muslim has for attaining Salvation is to die as a martyr in the cause of Al'lah in the effort to help establish Islam as a one world religion.

3.) Christians: Christianity is not a Gentile faith; it derives from the first-century Jewish sect that accepted Him as the prophesied Moshiach and Divine Son of God who was sent as The Lamb of God to be the Redeemer of mankind. The first several thousand followers of Yeshua were all Jewish men, women and children. Additionally, Yeshua never said His followers would be called "Christians" as that was really just a name thats was dubbed in Antioch in order to identify His followers. (Acts 11:26) Instead, Yeshua said that His followers would be called the "children of God" (Matthew 5:9) and "children of The Highest" (Luke 6:35).

Salvation cannot be attained by works but is only possible through accepting God's Grace of Forgiveness through faith in the redemptive and Atoning Blood of Yeshua for the remission of sins.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Conclusion: Followers of Yeshua believe that God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God While Orthodox Jews and Muslims deny it.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. (1 Corinthians 14:33)

 

[gumbo]

This thread is as retarded as Predator-vs-Alien.
It starts off with bigot propaganda at it's finest.

This thread is also a fine example of how ignorance can feed fear and fear can cause ignorance. The exact tool the radical Muslims use to recruit and control their martyrs of war.

I would like to think that Americans are beyond the ignorance of the witch burning days and the persecutions of those we don't understand.

With all knowledge at our finger tips, there is no excuse to persecute out of the fear ignorance has caused for centuries.


We have radical Christan's that do bad things in the name of God that has nothing to do with the teachings in the Bible.
As they have radical Muslims that do bad things in the name of Allah that has nothing to do with the teachings in the Quran.
The major difference is that the middle east has a lot more ignorant non reading idiots to influence with half truths.

This is Muhammad's last sermon'..Read and notice for yourself what a monster he is,, also notice how the Quran is a supplement book to the Old Testament like the New Testament is in the Bible.

The Holy Quran is just full of scary evil stuff like below.Muahahamadmad


After praising and thanking Allah the Prophet said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligations shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] be waived.

Every right arising out of homicide in pre-islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that i waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al Harithibn.

O People, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calender in order to make permissible that which Allah forbade, and to forbid that which Allah has made permissible. With Allah the months are twelve in number. Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban.

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

 

[clevalley]

This thread is as retarded as Predator-vs-Alien.

You didn't like AVP??? :shrug: I thought it was somewhat entertaining, even though it was quite obvious who was going to be the hunter (Predator) and who was going to be the hunted (Alien).

It was also rather nice to see these two awesome movies merge together into one, and now there is a sequel!!! I have personally not seen it, I am waiting for it tom come out on Netflix - ooooh, I have to check! Thanks for reminding me!

The only downside is Sigourney Weaver is not in this movie

 

[Starman3000m]

This thread is as retarded as Predator-vs-Alien.
It starts off with bigot propaganda at it's finest.

This thread is also a fine example of how ignorance can feed fear and fear can cause ignorance. The exact tool the radical Muslims use to recruit and control their martyrs of war.

I would like to think that Americans are beyond the ignorance of the witch burning days and the persecutions of those we don't understand.

With all knowledge at our finger tips, there is no excuse to persecute out of the fear ignorance has caused for centuries.


We have radical Christan's that do bad things in the name of God that has nothing to do with the teachings in the Bible.
As they have radical Muslims that do bad things in the name of Allah that has nothing to do with the teachings in the Quran.
The major difference is that the middle east has a lot more ignorant non reading idiots to influence with half truths.

This is Muhammad's last sermon'..Read and notice for yourself what a monster he is,, also notice how the Quran is a supplement book to the Old Testament like the New Testament is in the Bible.

The Holy Quran is just full of scary evil stuff like below.Muahahamadmad


After praising and thanking Allah the Prophet said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligations shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] be waived.

Every right arising out of homicide in pre-islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that i waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al Harithibn.

O People, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calender in order to make permissible that which Allah forbade, and to forbid that which Allah has made permissible. With Allah the months are twelve in number. Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban.

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

Hmmm... If this is from the Qur'an, as you state, please cite the reference to the actual Surah where this is found in the Qur'an.

 

[gumbo]

Hmmm... If this is from the Qur'an, as you state, please cite the reference to the actual Surah where this is found in the Qur'an.

You only see what you want to see.

I never stated it was from the QURAN!


You missed this...

This is Muhammad's last sermon'

And you missed this...

The Holy Quran is just full of scary evil stuff like below.

 

[Starman3000m]

You only see what you want to see.

I never stated it was from the QURAN!


You missed this...

And you missed this...

OH, OK...but then you forgot to include "the scary evil stuff" from the Qur'an like this:

“Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!” (Qur’an:003.151)

“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.” (Qur’an:008.039)

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;” (Qur’an:005.033)

“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Qur’an:008.012)


“O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.” (Qur’an:008.065)

“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.”
(Qur’an:047.004)

Take No Prisoners:

“It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.” (Qur’an:008.067)


Muslims threatened with punishment by Allah if they do not fight:

“Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.”
(Qur’an:009.039)


“O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.” (Qur’an:009.038)

“Say to the desert Arabs who lagged behind: "Ye shall be summoned (to fight) against a people given to vehement war: then shall ye fight, or they shall submit. Then if ye show obedience, Allah will grant you a goodly reward, but if ye turn back as ye did before, He will punish you with a grievous Penalty." (Qur’an:048.016)


“Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.” (Qur’an:009.041)

“Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).” (Qur’an:008.038)


“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Qur’an:009.005)

Muslims not to be friendly with Unbelievers (Non-Muslims) :

“O ye who believe! Turn not (for friendship) to people on whom is the Wrath of Allah, of the Hereafter they are already in despair, just as the Unbelievers are in despair about those (buried) in graves.” (Qur’an:060.013)

“O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.”
(Qur’an:009.073 )

“And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners.” (Qur’an:033.026 )

“And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” (Qur’an:033.027)

And, The Promise To "Righteous" Muslim Males - From The Qur'an:

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart's) desires;
Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;"
(Qur'an: 078.031 - 078.033)

And This About the Muslim Husband And Wife:
Men are permitted to beat their wives for being disobedient:
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).” (Qur’an: 004.034)

So, you are right, Gumbo, There Is "Scary Evil Stuff" In The Qur'an!

 

[gumbo]

Starman3000m;OH, OK...but then you forgot to include "the scary evil stuff" from the Qur'an like this:

Play fair!
If you're going to post scary sentences from the Quran, then you should post an equal amount of scary sentences from the Bible.

Your the Don King of thisMuhammad vs Jesus The Christ fight Now promote them equal or nobody's going to wanna watch.

 

[Starman3000m]

Play fair!
If you're going to post scary sentences from the Quran, then you should post an equal amount of scary sentences from the Bible.

There are no verses in the New Testament where Yeshua (Jesus) commands His followers to hate and kill those who do not accept His teachings.

Prior to Jesus' teachings, the people lived by the rule of "an eye for an eye" and "Hate your enemy" and stone women for adultry, etc. Those are found in the Old Testament Mosaic laws and the Old Testament Laws and prohibitions are what Muhammad adopted and incorporated into Islam.

Muhammad ignored Yeshua's teaching completely and opted to spread Islam by the use of the sword and by terrorizing non-Muslims.

Muhammad failed to accept the following teachings of Yeshua:

And seeing the multitudes, he [Yeshua] went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
(Matthew 5:1-12)


"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
(Matthew 5:27-28)

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:38-48)


Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. (Matthew 26:52)


Meanwhile, Muhammad teaches that Islam must be spread by the sword:

"Once Allah's Apostle (during a holy battle), waited till the sun had declined and then he got up among the people and said, "O people! Do not wish to face the enemy (in a battle) and ask Allah to save you (from calamities) but if you should face the enemy, then be patient and let it be known to you that Paradise is under the shades of swords." He then said,, "O Allah! The Revealer of the (Holy) Book, the Mover of the clouds, and Defeater of Al-Ahzab (i.e. the clans of ), defeat them infidels and bestow victory upon us."
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 210, Narrated Salim Abu An-Nadr)


And yet today, Fundamental Islam teaches that Muslims are obligated to wage Jihad against all non-Muslims:

YouTube - Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 of 6) Dispatches - Undercover Mosque (1 of 6)

 

[gumbo]

Oh Starman...........................................

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

There are no verses in the New Testament where Yeshua (Jesus) commands His followers to hate and kill those who do not accept His teachings.

Well I was certainly under the impression that you are promoting the hating and the fear and the killing of the Muslims because you see all of them as evil and as terrorist.

Is that not what you want???

Do you actually want us to do as Jesus taught and love our enemies and to fight evil with righteousness?

 

[Starman3000m]

Well I was certainly under the impression that you are promoting the hating and the fear and the killing of the Muslims because you see all of them as evil and as terrorist.

Is that not what you want???

Do you actually want us to do as Jesus taught and love our enemies and to fight evil with righteousness?

You are to do as Jesus commanded, Beware of false prophets, warn others about the wolves in sheep's clothing bringing in a heretical teaching that denies the Deity, Lordship and Atoning Blood that was shed by Jesus The Son of God - for the remission of sins.

If you want Muslims to receive the Salvation offered by Jesus they need to know that the Al'lah they serve is NOT the Yahweh of the Bible whose Son was crucified to atone for your sins and mine.

Do you love Muslims enough to share the Saving Grace of Yeshua or do you want them to continue believing that the only guarantee for their salvation is through martyrdom as commanded by Muhammad???

And not Muslims only - all followers of religions that preach Salvation is by works only need to know.

Where is your concern for Muslims to know the TRUTH about Yeshua?

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.

 

[Starman3000m]

Your the Don King of thisMuhammad vs Jesus The Christ fight Now promote them equal or nobody's going to wanna watch.

If I'm the "Don King" of this "fight" and you are the spectator you should know that Yeshua was crucified, buried and resurrected from the dead and is Alive! Muhammad died from poisoning, was buried and is still dead.

Guess who has already won???

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.

 

[tommyjones]

If I'm the "Don King" of this "fight" and you are the spectator you should know that Yeshua was crucified, buried and resurrected from the dead and is Alive! Muhammad died from poisoning, was buried and is still dead.

Guess who has already won???

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.

nobody, cuz you are just as likely to be wrong as they are?????

 

[Starman3000m]

nobody, cuz you are just as likely to be wrong as they are?????

There were witnessed accounts in the days of Yeshua regarding His miracles, the day of His crucifixion and more than 500 witnessed His appearance as the Resurrected Lord and Saviour of mankind. After 40 days, Yeshua ascended into Heaven. Born-again believers today have the spiritual witness from the Holy Spirit of God that Yeshua was/is The Son of God and Saviour of mankind.

There were also written accounts of witnesses hearing the Voice of God proclaiming that Yeshua was His Son.

Muhammad had no witnesses to attest for the "revelations" given to him by a spirit-being in the dark cave of the Hijra mountains. The major miracle that Muslims claim was done by Muhammad was that he split the moon into two pieces and put it back together again and that he made water spring out from his fingers.

Additionally, Muhammad claimed that all Muslims have a devil at their side and that he (Muhammad) will be "the first" to be resurrected.

Muhammad was a self-proclaimed prophet whose influence controlled followers through fear and intimidation. Yeshua influenced people through love toward God.

I do not need to convince you about the Truth - that is between you and God and if you are sincere in really wanting to know what the TRUTH is.

Jesus said, " I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me."

You have your own choice to make.

 

[tommyjones]

There were witnessed accounts in the days of Yeshua regarding His miracles, the day of His crucifixion and more than 500 witnessed His appearance as the Resurrected Lord and Saviour of mankind. After 40 days, Yeshua ascended into Heaven. Born-again believers today have the spiritual witness from the Holy Spirit of God that Yeshua was/is The Son of God and Saviour of mankind.

There were also written accounts of witnesses hearing the Voice of God proclaiming that Yeshua was His Son.

Muhammad had no witnesses to attest for the "revelations" given to him by a spirit-being in the dark cave of the Hijra mountains. The major miracle that Muslims claim was done by Muhammad was that he split the moon into two pieces and put it back together again and that he made water spring out from his fingers.

Additionally, Muhammad claimed that all Muslims have a devil at their side and that he (Muhammad) will be "the first" to be resurrected.

Muhammad was a self-proclaimed prophet whose influence controlled followers through fear and intimidation. Yeshua influenced people through love toward God.

I do not need to convince you about the Truth - that is between you and God and if you are sincere in really wanting to know what the TRUTH is.

Jesus said, " I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me."

You have your own choice to make.

see, the problem you have is that you cant prove your book is right using your book, just like they cant prove theirs is right using theirs.

therefore, you are just as likely to be wrong as they are.

and the odds are less than 50:50 that either of you have it right.

 

[Starman3000m]

see, the problem you have is that you cant prove your book is right using your book, just like they cant prove theirs is right using theirs.

therefore, you are just as likely to be wrong as they are.

and the odds are less than 50:50 that either of you have it right.

So what is the truth, according to tommyjones?

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

You are to do as Jesus commanded, Beware of false prophets, warn others about the wolves in sheep's clothing bringing in a heretical teaching that denies the Deity, Lordship and Atoning Blood that was shed by Jesus The Son of God - for the remission of sins.

So do you want to convert Muslims to Christianity?

And when Muslims do not convert and they condemn Christianity the way you condemn Islam then what do you say to do?

Are we to persecute Muslims in the USA? and use our military against Muslims in the rest of the world? or what to do?

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[Starman3000m]

So do you want to convert Muslims to Christianity?

I would like Muslims to know that Salvation is through the Atoning Blood of Yeshua and not of works. I would like Muslims to know that Real Peace is from the Prince of Peace, Yeshua the Son of God. It's just that Muslims are misled to believe that Yeshua is not the true Saviour of mankind. Do you believe it or do you agree with what Muslims are taught to believe?

And when Muslims do not convert and they condemn Christianity the way you condemn Islam then what do you say to do?

Continue to pray for them to know the Truth of God. The commission that Yeshua asked has been completed by sharing of God's Love for them and that they have the opportunity to receieve Forgiveness and Everlasting Life through accepting Yeshua who said that HE is The Truth, The Way and The Life.

Are we to persecute Muslims in the USA? and use our military against Muslims in the rest of the world? or what to do?

Any type of persecution and forceful conversion against anyone is not a true sign that one knows God at all. There are two ideological forces at work right now; Islamic ideology/theocracy and Western Free Societies.

The Islamic ideology has called for world domination against secular and non-Islamic societies - the American military is doing what they did during WWI and WWII; defending the Freedom you enjoy in America. America's attempt to introduce the type of Freedom you and I enjoy in America has been met with opposition in Arab countries who do not want to give up control over their people by Shari'a Law and instead want to impose Shari'a upon Europe and America.

This is where we are headed now. Don't you want Muslims to have the Freedom to make their own decisions or do you think it's OK to see them live under oppression and tyrannical theocracy as seen in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and all other Islamic countries?

Muslims are controlled by fear and intimidation and are captives to religious tenets that obligate them to hate Jews, Christians, all non-Muslims and apostate Muslims.

Don't you want Muslims to be set free as Yeshua would like? If you truly followed the teachings of Yeshua, you would share about His Deity and ability to give Eternal Life to Muslims.