Obama's Rejection Of Pastor Unfortunate

[Larry Gude]

You are...

And he was lauded, yet the Promise Keepers were excoriated by not only activist groups, but the media as well.

I'm done with racial bull####. I'm not afraid of black people or Al Sharpton or any of them. I'm done with the self-appointed "black leadership" who don't lead any black person I've ever known. And I'm definitely not going to give them a pass and be patronizing simply because they happen to be black.

I'm sick of the racial double-standard. I'm not going to tiptoe around and kowtow to the race baiters because I'm afraid they'll call me names. And I'm definitely not going to call anyone an "African-American". If you want to be African, get your ass to Africa and stay there. This is just plain old America, friend.

...so missing the point. The double standard is coming home to roost and the Democratic party is where it is roosting, as it should. The same people who lauded a Farakhan and his overtly racial driven agenda and polished the turd to make it sound like something bigger or better than just that, race based, now have to confront a Rev. Wright and his direct association with their golden savior, Barrack Obama.

The undertone of racial guilt politics has now run smack up against the racists IN the Democrat party who will NOT vote for a person of color no matter what. The party has long enjoyed having someone like Sharpton or Jackson around to poke business and political foes with the race stick. Now, they are confronted with having to own up to all of this and look at the results; racism is THE central theme of the Democratic primary and it has NOTHING to do with Republicans and it has NOTHING to do with conservatives.

This is their mess. Enjoy the show.

 

[Larry Gude]

Our memories...

I can see what she is saying. Look at what happened to Trent Lott. He appease Strom Thurmond with some flattering speech at a party because he was 100 years old, retiring and about to croak and the entire left wing fell too the ground in convulsions. Feet were stomped, the indignity put on by the left was so thick you needed a scoop shovel.

...are different. The right is the people who got pizzed before the media storm hit because we're sick of race this or that and a stupid joke like that doesn't help.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I'm shocked. I don't know how many black churches you've been to, but I always assumed folks were there for religion, not hate America politics.

:shrug:

I used to go to a church that was about half black. All, black, white, yellow, tan; were, for the most part, Christians and there on Sunday morning to worship God not to espouse political unrest.

Legally, a church can lose their tax exempt status by delving into politics and taking a political position on on side or another.

 

[MMDad]

Legally, a church can lose their tax exempt status by delving into politics and taking a political position on on side or another.

Not if they're a black church attended by Oprah and a US Senator and Presidential candidate.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Not if they're a black church attended by Oprah and a US Senator and Presidential candidate.

Actually, I heard on Fox that the IRS is looking into the tax status of this church.

 

[vraiblonde]

This is their mess. Enjoy the show.

Larry, stop. We are talking about a party who applauded a guy who used the meaning of "is" as a defense against perjury. They have been hypocritical and revisionist for years, and now suddenly they're going to have to own a mess they made?

I know you can't possibly believe that.

You know damn good and well that, at the end of the day, this will all somehow be the Republicans fault and some VRWC. The media will play it up, the public will eat it up, and the Democrats will walk away with #### eating grins on their faces because they'll know they got away with it again.

 

[vraiblonde]

Actually, I heard on Fox that the IRS is looking into the tax status of this church.

And that will be played as a Republican witch hunt either against blacks or Democrats. Watch and see.

You guys sit and read Forestal's posts on here. It's not like I have to stretch to predict the future.

 

[Larry Gude]

What...

Larry, stop. We are talking about a party who applauded a guy who used the meaning of "is" as a defense against perjury. They have been hypocritical and revisionist for years, and now suddenly they're going to have to own a mess they made?

I know you can't possibly believe that.

You know damn good and well that, at the end of the day, this will all somehow be the Republicans fault and some VRWC. The media will play it up, the public will eat it up, and the Democrats will walk away with #### eating grins on their faces because they'll know they got away with it again.

...do you see going on right now??? Do you not see the turmoil in the Democrat party? People are getting tossed from campaigns left and right for saying things like 'monster' and 'black'. They have a huge fight going on and they are choosing up sides. It's one thing to get in line behind Clinton when 'mean ol Ken Starr' is attacking his 'PRIVATE' choices. It's another when it comes down to either Hillary OR Barrack as presidential nominee.

The Florida and Michigan fiasco's are not going away. Dean has already quit on the ruling he made last year to not seat them if they broke the DNC rules.

This thing is a long way from over because both sides can conceivably win and because the spectre of the DNC power elites robbing Obama is on everyone's mind.

The Democratic party's dirty laundry is being aired and there is no way to get around the very real and very large divisions in it because so much, winning the nomination, is on the line.

Certainly, there will be a closing of ranks once a nominee is chosen, but, in the mean time, look at them. Bill Clinton has been scolded in the media for using race. Ferraro got tossed. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania basically said some of his precincts will not vote for a black man. Barrack has egg all over his face about Wright and his absurd claims of not knowing. He's going on today to give a major speech, not about Iraq, not about the economy, not about housing, but RACE, an issue that was on no ones radar until the Clinton's started making allusions about it.

Maybe it all gets neatly swept away come fall if McCain is afraid to call them on this chaos. Maybe not. In the mean time it is going on and it is fun to watch them lay in the bed they made all these years.

Will McCain ask how Obama can be trusted to know what's going on in the world if he doesn't even know what's going on in his church? Will he ask if Obama thinks America deserves to be damned by God? Will He call Hillary out on yet another Democratic party disaster in Florida? Will he ask how they think they can run a nation if they can't run a party?

I hear what you're saying, BUT, In the mean time, the fight is on and it is for real and no one can sweep it away or blame it on the GOP right now.

 

[Toxick]

Wow.

I haven't been following this particular angle for the most part, but I knew some of what was going on with this "minister" or whatever he wants to call himself.

I didn't, however, realize how deeply the well sank until this morning. I heard sound-bytes of this guy for the first time today.


Wow.

And this guy was like Obama's "uncle"? This is the guy who they wrote checks to every week, and considered themselves a member of his flock? This guy baptized his children and married him and his wife? This is the guy he chose as his spiritual mentor?

Disgusting.

Absolutely. Disgusting.




And NOW Obama is disavowing this psycho. That's just pathetic. Anyone who believes that you can possibly go to a church for 20 YEARS - and write checks to a minister for 20 YEARS, and break bread with them and consider them a member of your familly - without knowing what they stand for and believing it on any level, is a slobbering mollusk.

 

[vraiblonde]

no one can sweep it away or blame it on the GOP right now.

Watch and see.

The media is in the pocket. You and I have both heard the talking heads going crazy over some imagined slight, where everyone is at first going, "What?" until they jump on the bandwagon and believe what the newscasters tell them to believe. Do you think the masses even had any idea of what the Strom Thurmond flap was about until Chris Matthews told them they were supposed to be outraged?

Imagine a party full of Forestals, fully supported by the media. Now try and reason with that.

Not to mention that the Republicans aren't exactly the best at countering that crap. The second McCain asks Obama a single question about Rev. Wright, the screams of "racism" will be deafening. And McCain will apologize, just like every other Republican does, and the Democrats will go, "See??? He even apologized for being a racist!!!" I'll bet you $10 McCain will never even bring it up because he knows how it will turn out.

I don't understand why you think it will be otherwise.

 

[Vince]

...do you see going on right now??? Do you not see the turmoil in the Democrat party? People are getting tossed from campaigns left and right for saying things like 'monster' and 'black'. They have a huge fight going on and they are choosing up sides. It's one thing to get in line behind Clinton when 'mean ol Ken Starr' is attacking his 'PRIVATE' choices. It's another when it comes down to either Hillary OR Barrack as presidential nominee.

The Florida and Michigan fiasco's are not going away. Dean has already quit on the ruling he made last year to not seat them if they broke the DNC rules.

This thing is a long way from over because both sides can conceivably win and because the spectre of the DNC power elites robbing Obama is on everyone's mind.

The Democratic party's dirty laundry is being aired and there is no way to get around the very real and very large divisions in it because so much, winning the nomination, is on the line.

Certainly, there will be a closing of ranks once a nominee is chosen, but, in the mean time, look at them. Bill Clinton has been scolded in the media for using race. Ferraro got tossed. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania basically said some of his precincts will not vote for a black man. Barrack has egg all over his face about Wright and his absurd claims of not knowing. He's going on today to give a major speech, not about Iraq, not about the economy, not about housing, but RACE, an issue that was on no ones radar until the Clinton's started making allusions about it.

Maybe it all gets neatly swept away come fall if McCain is afraid to call them on this chaos. Maybe not. In the mean time it is going on and it is fun to watch them lay in the bed they made all these years.

Will McCain ask how Obama can be trusted to know what's going on in the world if he doesn't even know what's going on in his church? Will he ask if Obama thinks America deserves to be damned by God? Will He call Hillary out on yet another Democratic party disaster in Florida? Will he ask how they think they can run a nation if they can't run a party?

I hear what you're saying, BUT, In the mean time, the fight is on and it is for real and no one can sweep it away or blame it on the GOP right now.

Only one problem, the average American is not going to see all this. The average voter does not watch all the infighting and see the goings on inside the party. Most don't even look at where the candidate stands on all the important issues. He/she will vote for the democrat that best suits them, whether it be gender related or race related.

 

[Toxick]

Will McCain ask how Obama can be trusted to know what's going on in the world if he doesn't even know what's going on in his church? Will he ask if Obama thinks America deserves to be damned by God?

Maybe.

He successfully managed to convince the media and America that Ron Paul blamed America for 9/11.

 

[vraiblonde]

Anyone who believes that you can possibly go to a church for 20 YEARS - and write checks to a minister for 20 YEARS, and break bread with them and consider them a member of your familly - without knowing what they stand for and believing it on any level, is a slobbering mollusk.

Watch Obama get away with it. We're not allowed to criticize black guys in this country, no matter what they do, because that makes us racists.

 

[Pandora]

Maybe it is commonplace. Barack Obama is going to give us the scoop today.

And I cannot wait to see how he responds to this. I have been to many black churches, never saw anything like Wright. Wright preaches hate. If he went there for 20 years and is now separating himself from him, we can see who he is looking out for, himself.

They were interviewing several on Fox last night and I clinched my teeth when other black folks said that Wright's message was taken out of content.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

Maybe.

He successfully managed to convince the media and America that Ron Paul blamed America for 9/11.

...but Ron Paul did say that. He said what any reasonable person would say "Why were we attacked?" And Osama has provided the answer, in writing. Pointing out the causes is not the same as justifying or assigning right or wrong. I've never heard Paul say "Osama was right to attack us". I have heard him say it's worth understand why and, in that context, our military in Muslim Holy lands, our support for corrupt regimes, in that context, that we are responsible for. So, we never have a conversation about whether we SHOULD or not. And then Paul puts that in context of our founding documents and what has been warned, by people who knew what imperialism was all about, to be wary of foreign entanglements.


No one wants to talk about that, at all.

 

[Toxick]

Watch Obama get away with it. We're not allowed to criticize black guys in this country, no matter what they do, because that makes us racists.

I have no doubt about that.

Noone ever lost money by underestimating the American voter.




The pastor has neatly handed Hillary - should she choose to accept it - and John McCain - should he choose to accept it - a whole ####load of campaign advertisements.


Show footage of this pastor in one of his "God Damn America" tirades, and overlay quotes from Obama like, "He was like an uncle to me". And do that for several 30 second spots during every episode of Lost, How I Met Your Mother or 2 and a Half Men.

I guarantee that neither Clinton nor McCain have the balls to try it.

 

[Larry Gude]

Hillary...

Watch Obama get away with it. We're not allowed to criticize black guys in this country, no matter what they do, because that makes us racists.

...is doing it. Bill has been doing it. Limbaugh does it. Hannity has done it.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

Only one problem, the average American is not going to see all this. The average voter does not watch all the infighting and see the goings on inside the party. Most don't even look at where the candidate stands on all the important issues. He/she will vote for the democrat that best suits them, whether it be gender related or race related.

...I hear you, but that doesn't mean it isn't going on and it doesn't make the point any less valid. Usless, perhaps, but still valid.

 

[Larry Gude]

I am...

Watch and see.

The media is in the pocket. You and I have both heard the talking heads going crazy over some imagined slight, where everyone is at first going, "What?" until they jump on the bandwagon and believe what the newscasters tell them to believe. Do you think the masses even had any idea of what the Strom Thurmond flap was about until Chris Matthews told them they were supposed to be outraged?

Imagine a party full of Forestals, fully supported by the media. Now try and reason with that.

Not to mention that the Republicans aren't exactly the best at countering that crap. The second McCain asks Obama a single question about Rev. Wright, the screams of "racism" will be deafening. And McCain will apologize, just like every other Republican does, and the Democrats will go, "See??? He even apologized for being a racist!!!" I'll bet you $10 McCain will never even bring it up because he knows how it will turn out.

I don't understand why you think it will be otherwise.

...the real candidate of...hope.

 

[Toxick]

...but Ron Paul did say that. He said what any reasonable person would say "Why were we attacked?" And Osama has provided the answer, in writing. Pointing out the causes is not the same as justifying or assigning right or wrong.

I have nothing to add, I just wanted to quote that and embolden a point which I think bears repeating.