Smoking Ban in MD

[Larry Gude]

CO2 levels...

bwhahahahaha, talking aout facts....
you dont have any facts to support your argument. if you do please show them.......

...in nature; 300-500 ppm. .03% or so

Human exhaled breath; 4.5%
Dangerous level; 5%

It is dangerous to you health, long term, to sit in a bar with other humans if viewed by the same dynamics as the second hand smoke foppery.

 

[tommyjones]

Can't prove a negative.

Name one person whose COD was ever listed as second hand smoke.

there are plenty of studies that indicate children of people who smoke inside the home are MUCH MORE LIKELY to have respiratory problems.

 

[Kyle]

name one scientist who says that second hand smoke is good for you

I asked you to prove a claim. That second hand smoke is deadly.

Please do or give it up.

Anyone "stating" something is not conclusive. "Evidence" is conclusive.

Please provide just one, (1), instance of cause of death being second-hand smoke.

 

[vraiblonde]

'm not pissed that you don't exhibit symptoms (yet). I don't care if you slowly kill yourself.

Sounds like you have a weird interest in my health. Keeping in mind that I'm a complete stranger and my health is none of your concern.

Do you have children? If not, you should consider getting some.

 

[This_person]

Can't prove a negative.

Name one person whose COD was ever listed as second hand smoke.

Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking (Also Known as Exposure to Secondhand Smoke or Environmental Tobacco Smoke - ETS) (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1992)
Key findings:

In adults:

ETS is a human lung carcinogen, responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths annually in U.S. nonsmokers. ETS has been classified as a Group A carcinogen under EPA's carcinogen assessment guidelines. This classification is reserved for those compounds or mixtures which have been shown to cause cancer in humans, based on studies in human populations.

See also this

That being said, there's a concentration that makes this a problem. MMDad had said it best when he said find the concentration, require sufficient ventilation to lower below that concentration, and this would be done and over with.

Plus, I think this was touted as a protection for workers in bars/restaraunts, not patrons. Longer term exposure. Which, again, means: lower the concentration through sufficient ventilation.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

i quoted the context, you can deny the meaning all you want.....

In my world there is a concept known as resistance. When I don't apply the proper amount of pesticide or fungicide at the proper time and conditions, bugs develop resistance. Bugs will survive and pass on survivability over chemicals that would have nearly killed them had I done my job correctly.

Compare that to cigarettes which have NEVER killed anyone as properly used. They will wear your body out sooner than otherwise. They will likely lead you to lung and heart disease, bad skin, bad hair, bad breathe and other problems, but, the exposure levels are such that what all of this boils down to is government intervention over something that is annoying, but pretty much harmless, to people.

You sit in a room where 50 people release pesticides on you repeatedly for 2 hours and I'll sit a smoke filled bar.

You are saying that is the same and I say you are wrong. Clearly so.
You took my comment out of context.

 

[tommyjones]

I asked you to prove a claim. That second hand smoke is deadly.

Please do or give it up.

Anyone "stating" something is not conclusive. "Evidence" is conclusive.

Please provide just one, (1), instance of cause of death being second-hand smoke.

as soon as you can provide one scientist who says that second hand smoke is good for you i will....


you are on the ignorant side of the argument here, not me. Logic is definately on my side.

 

[Larry Gude]

And this has...

there are plenty of studies that indicate children of people who smoke inside the home are MUCH MORE LIKELY to have respiratory problems.

...what to do with smoking in a bar?

 

[vraiblonde]

there are plenty of studies that indicate children of people who smoke inside the home are MUCH MORE LIKELY to have respiratory problems.

Dang! Larry and I beat the odds again!

We must be medical miracles or something.

 

[Kyle]

there are plenty of studies that indicate children of whiny-##### ####### are MUCH MORE LIKELY to have emotional problems.

Indications are not proof but you might have something there. It's worth further study.

 

[Kyle]

as soon as you can provide one scientist who says that second hand smoke is good for you i will....


you are on the ignorant side of the argument here, not me. Logic is definately on my side.

What logic?

You make a claim you can't backup.

 

[Larry Gude]

If...

See also this

That being said, there's a concentration that makes this a problem. MMDad had said it best when he said find the concentration, require sufficient ventilation to lower below that concentration, and this would be done and over with.

Plus, I think this was touted as a protection for workers in bars/restaraunts, not patrons. Longer term exposure. Which, again, means: lower the concentration through sufficient ventilation.

...you recall, about 20 years ago, Maryland anti smoke crusaders got laws passed that made bars and restaurants do exactly that' segregate smoking sections AND install air change systems.

Not good enough said the Crusaders! We're off to Jerusalem and we won't stop until it is ours!

 

[tommyjones]

...what to do with smoking in a bar?

it shows that second hand smoke is bad for you.

 

[Kyle]

Dang! Larry and I beat the odds again!

We must be medical miracles or something.

If so, it's a large miracle.

 

[Ken King]

Studies, you want studies.

Here is a site with many studies. FORCES International - The Evidence - Second Hand (Passive)Smoke I guess that they are all BS in the mind of a anti-smoking Nazi.

 

[This_person]

...you recall, about 20 years ago, Maryland anti smoke crusaders got laws passed that made bars and restaurants do exactly that' segregate smoking sections AND install air change systems.

Not good enough said the Crusaders! We're off to Jerusalem and we won't stop until it is ours!

A non-smoking section in an open room is (as the joke goes) like a no-peeing section in a pool.

Actual sufficient ventilation would have made this a moot point.

I don't smoke, and I have no idea why anyone would want to. However, I don't care, it's the smoker's right to smoke. It's the worker's right to protection. Sufficient ventilation would have allowed everyone to have their rights. There's no good reason to ban smoking, just control the concentrations where people work.

 

[Larry Gude]

Wait...

Studies, you want studies.

Here is a site with many studies. FORCES International - The Evidence - Second Hand (Passive)Smoke I guess that they are all BS in the mind of a anti-smoking Nazi.

...a minute; you smoke. You're supposed to be dead! How can this BE???

Ken Kings ghost is here!

 

[vraiblonde]

Studies, you want studies.

Here is a site with many studies. FORCES International - The Evidence - Second Hand (Passive)Smoke I guess that they are all BS in the mind of a anti-smoking Nazi.

Nice try, but I don't think all the studies, evidence and facts in the world will convince people that the propaganda they've been fed all these years is simply not true. They WANT to believe it.

Very similar to global warming. To me, anyone who buys into that crap is an idiot and not worth debating.

 

[Ken King]

...a minute; you smoke. You're supposed to be dead! How can this BE???

Ken Kings ghost is here!

Yep, still kicking and I have less health issues then my brother that has and is a never-smoked kind of person.

 

[Larry Gude]

Lies!!!

Yep, still kicking and I have less health issues then my brother that has and is a never-smoked kind of person.

The oil company's sent you, didn't they?