Again, you don't know that. He may have been simply scared. That's what I'd have been feeling - fear, not anger.
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Again, you don't know that. He may have been simply scared. That's what I'd have been feeling - fear, not anger.
Bay_Kat
Tropical
Ah ha!
PsyOps
Pixelated
What I think he should have done, what I would have done was, the moment the bikes started swarming around, long before I had ANY interaction with them, at all, would have been to SLOW my pace and let them pass with plenty of room to get past me.
Psy spells out most likely what RR man was thinking and feeling. I, personally, have never felt hostile to riders but, I get it. I know lots of people do. Having said that, it has long been my policy to tend to avoid gangs, mobs, menacing groups.
Not poke them. Not crowd them. Not give them the finger. Not bump into one of them.
And what makes you think he didn't try to do this?
And don't we know these guys are just the epitome of traffic concern and the well-being of others.
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Bay_Kat
Tropical
and they got his door open
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EXCEPT, for my purposes, you are not in the lovely land of Cali.
"Lane Sharing
Cars and motorcycles need a full
lane to operate safely. Lane sharing is
prohibited in Maryland."
http://www.mva.maryland.gov/Resources/DL-001.pdf
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Yeah, after he ran into one of them.
Look, I have said that what happened, what the bikers did, was predictable. Not right. Not justified. Not fair. Not some sort of Karmic incarnation.
I have also said, based on the obviousness, to me, of what a mob/swarm/gang/flock/murder (go look that one up!) of bikers WILL do, given certain stimuli, that which we are shown and the rest we can safely figure out on our own, RR man is a dumb #### and failed his wife and kid and is lucky to be alive.
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aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
I have also said, based on the obviousness, to me, of what a mob/swarm/gang/flock/murder (go look that one up!) of bikers WILL do, given certain stimuli, that which we are shown and the rest we can safely figure out on our own, RR man is a dumb #### and failed his wife and kid and is lucky to be alive.
Hi, Ho, Norton! Away! (Or, is it a BSA??? Triumph?)
Right
Because we ride a motorcycle were freakin animals that can't freakin control ourselves.
That's bullsh1t
But you are assuming the behavior of the RR driver, that he somehow initiated the incident since all those bikers were just out for a nice Saturday drive and minding their own business.Dude, sorry, Sunshine, RR mans feelings are not at issue here. Certainly, he was annoyed with riders. A lot of people in here are clear testimony to that being VERY likely what was going on with RR man. Agreed? If I am assuming that, it sure ain't much of a stretch. Agreed? I've felt that way about fellow cagers when I was in my 'cage'. This is not news or some sort of brand new concept. I get the guys anger and frustration. So, let's quit pretending RR man was suddenly swooped down on. This was probably brewing for a few miles, dontcha think?
And I am, for damn sure, not assuming the predictably behavior of the bikers. I am taking you all at your word; animals, savages, mob, thugs.
Yeah, so what? That's obvious? All that does it show RR man to be REALLY stupid or lacking in self control and awareness, never mind concern for HIS wife and child.
RR man ####ed up. The mob swarmed. Some assumption.
So the driver does something and that excuses the bikers to attack him, to beat his vehicle, to pull him out of his vehicle?
You say you are not defending the bikers but in the same breath, you are placing the blame for the situation on the RR driver, even though you don’t know what initiated the incident.
You have no idea what started this whole thing off so how do you know the RR driver did something stupid, again, you are assuming things to fill in for facts that are not presented.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Ah, grasshopper. In the care of your wife and children, their safety, there is no 'try'. There is only do. Or do not.
Dude, you, thank you, illustrated quite well what RR man was probably thinking and feeling. Things, rapidly, spiraled out of control from there. I have not justified the mob in any way, shape or form. I have simply pointed out the obvious about it, it's nature and why, same as a hornets nest.
Folks, in a fascinating self righteous zeal, have taken my written words and chosen to impute things not said NOR implied. Quite the opposite, actually, just making it up, all in a fascinating effort to exact a sort of vengeance against a common enemy.
This has really been a fascinating exercise in mob behavior which, if you think about it, explains how the biker mob works.
Pretty cool.
Please tell me how you know the RR driver was pissed.
He may have been scared chitless and was just trying to get the hell away from the situation, remember, fight or flight.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
No. I am not assuming he ran into the back of the bike. He did.
And, if you, Snoogums, can read, at all, I have said, time and again, I think the bikers were probably being jerks, a holes, from the get go. First. Started it. Swarming, weaving in and out, being annoying. I have at NO time said the bikers were justified, out for a casual ride until this guy attacked them or in any way excused their behavior. At all.
It's been really fascinating reading people ignore what I keep saying, over and over again. This guy saw a hornets nest. And stuck his arm in it. And had his kid and wife along.
That does nothing more than comment on the obvious. If he was too stupid to figure out that a mob of bikers that were already menacing, swarming, misbehaving, etc, might well react poorly to him hitting one of them, well, Darwin works on nice, pleasant afternoon drives as well.
So you believe that the RR driver intentionally drove into the crowd of bikers? Because that is not my understanding of what happened and how this man found himself in the middle of a biker pack.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
True. And he may have not even been a guy at all. He may have been a 90 year old man who missed the brake pedal. He could have been having a heart attack. Or, maybe he had to go to the bathroom. Maybe, his wife is a lunatic and wouldn't shut up and he figured better to be killed by bikers than another mile with her.
Maybe he figured it was all a stunt from the nest Jack Ass movie and he thought he'd play along.
Maybe it WAS a stunt from the next Jack Ass movie and we ALL feel for it.
Maybe he was having a debate with his wife over what is obvious and what is not and she was pointing out that what women think so obvious is not the same as what men think is obvious and he was simply distracted.
Maybe, after stopping, he started telling the guys all this and they were having none of it and were going to attack him no matter WHAT the reason was.
Or, maybe, your reverse gear is broked and you are in so deep you can't back out of this and are certainly not willing to admit the obvious, that I am right, and it's just annoying as all hell.
True. And he may have not even been a guy at all. He may have been a 90 year old man who missed the brake pedal. He could have been having a heart attack. Or, maybe he had to go to the bathroom. Maybe, his wife is a lunatic and wouldn't shut up and he figured better to be killed by bikers than another mile with her.
Maybe he figured it was all a stunt from the nest Jack Ass movie and he thought he'd play along.
Maybe it WAS a stunt from the next Jack Ass movie and we ALL feel for it.
Maybe he was having a debate with his wife over what is obvious and what is not and she was pointing out that what women think so obvious is not the same as what men think is obvious and he was simply distracted.
Maybe, after stopping, he started telling the guys all this and they were having none of it and were going to attack him no matter WHAT the reason was.
Or, maybe, your reverse gear is broked and you are in so deep you can't back out of this and are certainly not willing to admit the obvious, that I am right, and it's just annoying as all hell.
Shhhh, everyone. Hear that splash?
Fins to the left, fins to the right....
Larry Gude
Strung Out
No. As I say, I think he had a brain freeze between being pissed and not wanting to hit the guy. Which is what I already said. But, hey, I'm happy to clarify.
What I do KNOW, what you KNOW, what we ALL know is that if you run into the back of anyone, it's your fault. We can call everything else conjecture, spit-balling, wild fantasies of what likely happened and we still know two things;
He ran into one of the bikers and the bikers were an unruly mob who all would be better served to get a hair cut and get a real...
Larry Gude
Strung Out
When no one is listening to what you DO write, have fun with it I sez.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Which is indeed justifying.
I admire your tenacity. Seriously.
I'm not the one calling for gassing and shooting people because they don't belong in 'civilized' society.
Ha.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Ah, grasshopper. In the care of your wife and children, their safety, there is no 'try'. There is only do. Or do not.
Dude, you, thank you, illustrated quite well what RR man was probably thinking and feeling. Things, rapidly, spiraled out of control from there. I have not justified the mob in any way, shape or form. I have simply pointed out the obvious about it, it's nature and why, same as a hornets nest.
Folks, in a fascinating self righteous zeal, have taken my written words and chosen to impute things not said NOR implied. Quite the opposite, actually, just making it up, all in a fascinating effort to exact a sort of vengeance against a common enemy.
This has really been a fascinating exercise in mob behavior which, if you think about it, explains how the biker mob works.
Pretty cool.
The only reason things ‘spiraled out of control’ is because the RR dude was dealing with a group of about 40 thugs intent on start crap somewhere. There are some that will do all they can to get away from it and will likely fail because the group of thugs have chosen their target and will relentlessly go after them. There are some that will DEFEND THEMSELVES – ala George Zimmerman – because they have a right to.
Defending yourself is not vengeance; it is defending yourself and your family from harm. I may be likely to take the latter course. With the guy that was pushing me the other day and attempting to lane split, I did not go after him, I did not make any radical move to cut him off in an attempt to injure him. All I did was move over slightly to prevent him from squeezing between me and the truck next to me. He was also WAY too close to my bumper. I saw it as a move of safety. I think I am an experienced enough driver to make that determination. It’s my guess this pinhead is a lot younger than me and has a lot less experience on the road. He is probably alive because of it.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Do you ride with guys like that?????
Me neither.
Guys who ride like that...behave like that.