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Actually, Obama IS a black guy. Look at him. It's not like he's two different colors (see Nupe's previous Star Trek reference).
He is bi-racial, but in terms of skin color he is a black man.
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But wait! There's more!
Damn conservatives! Sexists! Racists!
Oh...wait.....
Good to see we agree that McCains response was to work on legislation and Obama's respons was to Hope someone else would Change things
I think Black Francis is gonna get his white azz whipped by the forum mommy!
I love Vrai and I would definitely enjoy a spanking from her!
But what gets missed is that our lack of interest in "change" has nothing to do with Obama's skin color. If you're a conservative and believe in conservative principles, you aren't going to be interested in Obama regardless of WHAT color he is.
And I will hand you Mike Steele as a perfect example of how that works on the other side. Most conservatives are crazy about this guy and would love to see him make a run at President. Liberals, not so much. Does that mean liberals are racist?
Meet the new boss - same as the old boss. The only "change" about Obama is that he's a black guy. Otherwise he's just another liberal Democrat.
I did however cast a vote for Allen Keyes way back when he was trying his hand at the presidential run.
I think the election really came down to his response on the economic crisis as compared to Mr. McCain's.
both were there and both voted.
Next election get a better candidate.
Obama supports the timetable for withdrawal negoiated by the current administration (no change)we need to get out of iraq, i don't want a bunch of republicans telling me I can't have an abortion. .
Obama supports the timetable for withdrawal negoiated by the current administration (no change)
So you're saying that their responses were identical?
Obama supports the timetable for withdrawal negoiated by the current administration (no change)
Have you had a lot of abortions? Are you planning on some in the future?
back to the reason of this thread, I can not go tuesday because I have to work and I hate the cold. I don't care how much i might support something my body physically can't handle the cold. So i will be checking in every so often on how things are going.
But, i am going to DC tonight to party with all the out of towners. The parties started on Friday. Can't wait for tonight, I think it will be great. I will let everyone know how it is. The type of people to expect on Tuesday and the general feeling and safety issues that could come up.
I believe your statement is an argument of the specific vs. the general. My comment was based on a general observation of the relatively recent history of this country. To argue from your perspective, I offer the following specifics:
I am a bit older (54). I do remember being called a n****r on the first day of first grade in 1960 (at a Catholic School in DC) and being called the same on my first day of school at Bishop McNamara in 1968. I also remember not being able to shop in Garfinkel's in DC and my mother refusing to take me on the trolley cars in DC (yes they had them in the early 60s) because we had to sit in the back. I also remember packing food for our trips to my grandparents in Virginia and pulling to the side of the road to use the bathroom because we could not get service or use restrooms along the way. I could go on but you should get the picture. Things have changed Vrai, and your failure to acknowledge or admit that is sad.
As far as recognition of Mr. Obama's accomplishments, every 4 years prior to this, we have celebrated the accomplishments of a select few white men. They were elected President of the United States! I'd say that was a pretty large and impressive feat for which they have been duly recognized, and in the same manner as Mr. Obama. The only apparent difference at this point is the outpouring of people and emotions associated with this election. This is a celebration of hope for America and is the result of a fair election and peaceful transition of power. Why do you have a problem giving Mr. Obama his due?
Well, things were a bit different where I come from. Black kids didn't take the bus - they walked to school with everyone else because they lived in our same neighborhood. That's right - our neighborhoods weren't segregated, either.
But I also didn't grow up on the east coast - I grew up in the midwest, where racism apparently wasn't as prevalent. Larry tells stories about growing up in Laurel that I can't relate to, having never experienced anything like that.
And, again, I find it hard to believe that my hometown is the ONLY place where different races coexisted without strife and nobody thought a thing of it.
Let me get this straight...
He didn't win an election but was simply "given" the position?
The Presidency is "given" based on the "ability to learn?"
He doesn't have clue what to do?
I can honestly say that in my experience (I'll be 50 in May) my dad was in the military, so race was treated differently. I spent over 5 years (My father was able to get 2 tours of duty consecutively) overseas during some of our nation's most recent turbulent times (67-72) and I missed a lot of what went on in this country. I really do not have any personal recollections of the racial issues during that time. We didn't even have a TV in our home overseas during that time - it was radio & newspapers, magazines, and other similar media that we got our news from.
I have family from the north and from the deep south and I know there were definite differences that took place. However, I have to say, that in my immediate family,(which is all I can speak to) we weren't raised with a racial bias. We didn't use the "n-word" (actually, we weren't even allowed to say stupid, idiot, butthole, etc., etc.) and if we had, we'd have had our mouths washed out with soap by my mother.
After I moved back to the states, I lived in Norfolk, VA and there was a lot of racial tension at that time. (1972) And there was a lot of it when I moved to this area in 1974. In 1975, my maternal grandmother died, and we went down to Mobile, AL. I remember having a "rude awakening" type of moment. My grandfather had purchased an old gas station as a hobby shop/store & we had gone there to hang out with him one day. I had to use the restroom. He told me where they were & I went around outside the building to find 3 of them. I was so naive that I asked my grandfather why there were 3 bathrooms. I had no idea and it never occurred to me why there were. Yes, I knew about the history of our country. But I was very removed from it by having lived overseas all that time. And, I believe, because I WASN'T RAISED in a "racist" home.
Between the late 60s and early 80s, I went to schools in Laurel, Colorado Springs, and in Washington Cty MD. None (incl Laurel) of the schools were segregated nor were the neighborhoods we lived in, except in Washington County we lived on a farm and the black families we knew were from closer to Hagerstwon. In Colorado Springs, they did bus black kids to the school from the downtown area.Well, things were a bit different where I come from. Black kids didn't take the bus - they walked to school with everyone else because they lived in our same neighborhood. That's right - our neighborhoods weren't segregated, either.
But I also didn't grow up on the east coast - I grew up in the midwest, where racism apparently wasn't as prevalent. Larry tells stories about growing up in Laurel that I can't relate to, having never experienced anything like that.
And, again, I find it hard to believe that my hometown is the ONLY place where different races coexisted without strife and nobody thought a thing of it.