Worst ex-spouse ever?

[SG_Player1974]

Sounds like my ex's friend (though I know it's not). He gets his twin boys every summer. He lives in a rinky-dink apartment and the boys sleep on the living room floor the entire time. Him, his wife, and their son have lived in an one bedroom apartment above a garage for a few years with no ambition of upgrading. He makes barely over minimum wage and she doesn't work.

Do not be quick to judge...

Some NCPs do the best they can with what they have. This may be the case.

If the NCP is holding down the job and taking care of business, there is NOTHING wrong with that.

It is only a shame to do so if they are capable of so much more and it is available to them and they CHOOSE not to improve their conditions either due to laziness or spite.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

As for the CP having to provide living conditions.... I dont know how they do it here in Maryland but, the state my divorce was granted in required the NCP to maintain a residence that can accommidate all of the children reasonably and comfortably. So NO... I cannot live in a 1BR crap hole and call it good.

As for support.... I DO NOT have to pay my ex for the 6-8 weeks that I have the children unlike some of the people on here have said that they do receive payments during this time. I also DO NOT receive any kind of "reverse support" from my ex when the children are here.

Hence my question about a reasonable, subjective answer to why this is

I honestly CANNOT BELIEVE that NCPs have to continue paying during summer visits. That is RIDICULOUS :shocked:

I agree with 90% of what you are saying, BUT if the NCP ONLY has the children for a few weeks in the summer, they should continue paying. As I stated previously, if that is addition to regularly scheduled weekend visits, then maybe their child support needs to be adjusted to show that the NCP is providing 50% of the care of the child/children.

BTW, good job spending time with your children.

 

[SG_Player1974]

...BUT if the NCP ONLY has the children for a few weeks in the summer, they should continue paying.

Do PLEASE explain your reasoning behind this opinion.

You see... my standpoint is that since the NCP has the responsibility for the children for that extended period of time, the NCP now has to cover those costs during the visit. What exactly does the CP have to pay for that the NCP does not have to during this time? What is the NCPs payment going towards?

It really is a moot point because any item/point that can be brought up can easily be applied to the NCP as well during this time frame.

 

[sockgirl77]

Do not be quick to judge...

Some NCPs do the best they can with what they have. This may be the case.

If the NCP is holding down the job and taking care of business, there is NOTHING wrong with that.

It is only a shame to do so if they are capable of so much more and it is available to them and they CHOOSE not to improve their conditions either due to laziness or spite.

Sorry, but I have issues with children being forced to sleep on the floor when they visit.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

This is the way I see it. Most NCP have the kid/kids every weekend, or every other weekend. That is 2 days per weekend. That equals either 104 days (for every weekend) or 52 days for every other weekend.

If the non custodial parent ONLY has the kids for 2 months straight during the summer, that is 56 days at 8 weeks times 7 days a week.

As far as my calculations go, you only have the kid/kids the same amount of time a "typical" NCP has the kid/kids per year.

So, no. I would not pay you to keep the kids for 8 weeks straight, if that is the ONLY time during the entire year you have them.

IF you have them 8 weeks straight, and every other weekend, I think you need to modify child support to reflect that. If the NCP has the child/children X amount of days per year (about equal to what the CP has them) then your child support is less than what a NCP would pay for only having them a few days a year.

Do PLEASE explain your reasoning behind this opinion.

I already did :shrug:

 

[sockgirl77]

Do PLEASE explain your reasoning behind this opinion.

I'll explain why, the CP has to maintain the same bills when the NCP has the children. It's really that damn simple.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

I'll explain why, the CP has to maintain the same bills when the NCP has the children. It's really that damn simple.

I like my explantion better. It's not that simple. If the NCP is providing 50% of the care, they shouldn't be expected to pay as much in support as a parent only providing 20% percent of the daily care.

So, if CP has the kid/kids 309 days of the year, and the NCP has the kids 56 days of the year, the NCP should be paying support to the CP parent when they have the kids for their 56 day visit.

My opinion.

If the CP has the kids 257 days, and the NCP has the kid 108 days, I think a reduction in the monthly support payments may be warranted.

 

[vraiblonde]

Hence my question about a reasonable, subjective answer to why this is

Based on your answers to my questions, your child support was calculated with your visitation schedule in mind. That is reasonable, and also non-subjective. You are getting a deal by not having to pay during the summer when the kids are with you - that is not the norm unless it's calculated in as well.

On a personal note, I think you're an ass for complaining about this and I cannot tell you how glad I am that we do not share children. I'd petition the court to have your parental rights removed rather than deal with your whiny deadbeat bull####. I would consider having you killed just to get you out of my and my kids' life. I would curse the day I ever found you cute enough to have sex with. I hope with all my heart that you've had a vasectomy.

You voted for Obama, didn't you? Nevermind, don't answer that. I'm out of this thread before I lose my temper and tell you what I really think of you.

 

[SG_Player1974]

I'll explain why, the CP has to maintain the same bills when the NCP has the children. It's really that damn simple.

How many times do we need to go through this...

Does the NCP NOT have to maintain bills, expenses, etc when they have the children too?

I guess you think that the NCP does not feed, shower, shelter, bathe, or entertain the children in any way? As far as I remember, NCPs do not get a summertime FREE card! They have to pay for these things just like the CP does.

Why does the CP get to be supplemented while the NCP does not?

 

[sockgirl77]

How many times do we need to go through this...

Does the NCP NOT have to maintain bills, expenses, etc when they have the children too?

I guess you think that the NCP does not feed, shower, shelter, bathe, or entertain the children in any way? As far as I remember, NCPs do not get a summertime FREE card! They have to pay for these things just like the CP does.

Why does the CP get to be supplemented while the NCP does not?

Do you think that you pay 50% of what it cost to raise a child throughout the year?

 

[SG_Player1974]

Based on your answers to my questions, your child support was calculated with your visitation schedule in mind. That is reasonable, and also non-subjective. You are getting a deal by not having to pay during the summer when the kids are with you - that is not the norm unless it's calculated in as well.

On a personal note, I think you're an ass for complaining about this and I cannot tell you how glad I am that we do not share children. I'd petition the court to have your parental rights removed rather than deal with your whiny deadbeat bull####. I would consider having you killed just to get you out of my and my kids' life. I would curse the day I ever found you cute enough to have sex with. I hope with all my heart that you've had a vasectomy.

You voted for Obama, didn't you? Nevermind, don't answer that. I'm out of this thread before I lose my temper and tell you what I really think of you.

I detect a bit of bitterness from you. Just remember... I am not your EX. I am just someone who has paid their support on time, EVERY time. Spent as much time with my children as I possibly could, and never EVER missed an impotant date!

You are totally right Vrai..... I guess you were better off with the EX you have NOW!

On a lighter note... it is nice that you shouted about people threatening others on your forum but, I guess telling someone that you would like to KILL them in a certain situation is OK?

 

[vraiblonde]

Just remember... I am not your EX.

You are not even close to my ex - he was a decent guy. You're a douche.

But you have answered my original question about why exes can't get along. So thank you for that.

 

[SG_Player1974]

Do you think that you pay 50% of what it cost to raise a child throughout the year?

Actually... in my case... YES!

50% of medical bills, tuition, school supplies, and a few other things that I cannot remember.

The child support covers the food, house note, clothing and other common items.

Im not saying there aren't douche bags out there which I can only assume that most of the WOMEN on this thread have to deal with. I am just saying that I do not think I am one of them. I am a DAD and not a FATHER

 

[SoMDGirl42]

How many times do we need to go through this...

Does the NCP NOT have to maintain bills, expenses, etc when they have the children too?

I guess you think that the NCP does not feed, shower, shelter, bathe, or entertain the children in any way? As far as I remember, NCPs do not get a summertime FREE card! They have to pay for these things just like the CP does.

Why does the CP get to be supplemented while the NCP does not?

OK. I've broken this down for you several ways, but you are apparently too dense to comprehend plain English.

I now agree with Vrail. I'd have to take you out

Or better yet, make YOU take the kids full time then take ME to court for child support.

You'll quickly find that those snot nosed bugger eating embryos grow faster than you can buy clothes, waste more food than you can afford to buy, turn every light on in every single room, dirty more clothes in a day then the whole Union did in the Civil War have more wants than Carter has liver pills (whatever that means, thank you mom). They burn more gas running them from activity to activity then you do commuting to and from work, hog the couch, the bed and the TV, leave toys on the floor that can only be found at 3 am barefoot, keep you awake when you want to sleep, sleep when you need them to be awake, get sick only when you have a meeting you HAVE to attend, break shiat, lose shiat and find shiat when you don't want it found. They make noise, drama and messes.

Now wash, rinse and repeat that 365 days a year, and tell me how much that is worth in child support!!

On the bright side, thank you God for giving me the best reason in the world to do it every single day, she is my life and my world.

 

[SG_Player1974]

You are not even close to my ex - he was a decent guy. You're a douche.

I know. Total douche bag for being the best Dad I could and taking care of my responsibilities like I am supposed to. Im the douche for asking a simple question that I asked for just a bit of subjectiveness and to leave out personal feelings RIGHT?

But you have answered my original question about why exes can't get along. So thank you for that.

Im still waiting for YOU to answer my question

Without taking into account your personal feelings and just looking at the situation I posed. Can you do that?

 

[sockgirl77]

Actually... in my case... YES!

50% of medical bills, tuition, school supplies, and a few other things that I cannot remember.

The child support covers the food, house note, clothing and other common items.

Im not saying there aren't douche bags out there which I can only assume that most of the WOMEN on this thread have to deal with. I am just saying that I do not think I am one of them. I am a DAD and not a FATHER

One of my exes is a complete DB. He's court ordered to pay CS and is 11 months in the arrears, despite the fact that he just made a ton of money on the sale of a home that he inherited. The other is only a partial DB. He does see get his daughter every other weekend, any time off from school during the school year, and 50% of the summer. However, I have waived his CS. He cannot afford it and he's alleviated me of having to pay full-time daycare.

 

[RoseRed]

Based on your answers to my questions, your child support was calculated with your visitation schedule in mind. That is reasonable, and also non-subjective. You are getting a deal by not having to pay during the summer when the kids are with you - that is not the norm unless it's calculated in as well.

On a personal note, I think you're an ass for complaining about this and I cannot tell you how glad I am that we do not share children. I'd petition the court to have your parental rights removed rather than deal with your whiny deadbeat bull####. I would consider having you killed just to get you out of my and my kids' life. I would curse the day I ever found you cute enough to have sex with. I hope with all my heart that you've had a vasectomy.

You voted for Obama, didn't you? Nevermind, don't answer that. I'm out of this thread before I lose my temper and tell you what I really think of you.

 

[SG_Player1974]

OK. I've broken this down for you several ways, but you are apparently too dense to comprehend plain English.

I now agree with Vrail. I'd have to take you out

Or better yet, make YOU take the kids full time then take ME to court for child support.

You'll quickly find that those snot nosed bugger eating embryos grow faster than you can buy clothes, waste more food than you can afford to buy, turn every light on in every single room, dirty more clothes in a day then the whole Union did in the Civil War have more wants than Carter has liver pills (whatever that means, thank you mom). They burn more gas running them from activity to activity then you do commuting to and from work, hog the couch, the bed and the TV, leave toys on the floor that can only be found at 3 am barefoot, keep you awake when you want to sleep, sleep when you need them to be awake, get sick only when you have a meeting you HAVE to attend, break shiat, lose shiat and find shiat when you don't want it found. They make noise, drama and messes.

Now wash, rinse and repeat that 365 days a year, and tell me how much that is worth in child support!!

On the bright side, thank you God for giving me the best reason in the world to do it every single day, she is my life and my world.

So the "snot nosed, buger eating embryos who appear to be the bane of your exsistance is suddenly your life and your world.

And YES... I would trade ANYTHING to have my children fulltime Thank you becuae, unlike you, I take them for good and bad.

 

[SG_Player1974]

The other is only a partial DB. He does see get his daughter every other weekend, any time off from school during the school year, and 50% of the summer. However, I have waived his CS. He cannot afford it and he's alleviated me of having to pay full-time daycare.

So, in other words, he is ONLY a douche bag because of your personal opinion of him?

It sounds to me, according to what you say here, that he is a pretty good NCP and takes care of his business.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

So the "snot nosed, buger eating embryos who appear to be the bane of your exsistance is suddenly your life and your world.

And YES... I would trade ANYTHING to have my children fulltime Thank you becuae, unlike you, I take them for good and bad.

I congratulated you for spending time with your kids. Now you're just being an a$$ taking stuff literally. If you knew me, you'd know my kids ARE my life. Without them, I'd have no reason to keep living. I can joke about my own kids all I want, they are my life and world. And unlike you, I have my kid 24/7 365.