Late bloomers

Hank

my war
Sorry Vrai, but I am actually going to try to help him.

Lance, that is exactly what Vrai has asked you to do. Leave her alone. Stop with the constant pickup lines. If you do, if you act like a mature adult, people will leave you alone. Try it.

It doesn't matter how long his posts stay up, he is still hijacking pretty much every thread Vrai posts in. I blame two people..... Obama and Vrai. If you want to nip the problem in the bud, ban every incarnation of Lance that comes across the forum. Wala
 

Hank

my war
But on the subject of late bloomers, I would say in my group of friends more of them had babies later than sooner. One of them actually hasn't stopped. He has 5. Oldest is 20 and youngest is 14 months. I pray for him.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
And why do you think he's going to listen this time? Perhaps that's what it takes, the 4,987,376th time? Then suddenly *ding* the light comes on?

Ignore him and stop ####ing up all the threads. He posts like that because you all engage him.

And now I do not want to talk about Lance anymore, thank you very much. Your brother is MUCH more interesting.

Sorry, but I just hoped he might listen for once. I really was trying to help, but his response is just more proof that he will never listen.

But it does kind of tie into my brother. I see the two of them as being similar. This strange obsession with someone, refusing to let go, the pathetic desperation and pleas for attention, and thinking that their aberrant behavior is appropriate.
 

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
But on the subject of late bloomers, I would say in my group of friends more of them had babies later than sooner. One of them actually hasn't stopped. He has 5. Oldest is 20 and youngest is 14 months. I pray for him.

Gack! :faint:
 

Hank

my war
Sorry, but I just hoped he might listen for once. I really was trying to help, but his response is just more proof that he will never listen.

But it does kind of tie into my brother. I see the two of them as being similar. This strange obsession with someone, refusing to let go, the pathetic desperation and pleas for attention, and thinking that their aberrant behavior is appropriate.

Do you get along with the brother? Talk much?
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Sorry, but I just hoped he might listen for once. I really was trying to help, but his response is just more proof that he will never listen.

But it does kind of tie into my brother. I see the two of them as being similar. This strange obsession with someone, refusing to let go, the pathetic desperation and pleas for attention, and thinking that their aberrant behavior is appropriate.

Dysfunctional.

Mental illness.

Does your brother have a therapist? Belong to a support group? There are a lot of issues dealing with disabilities.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Dysfunctional.

Mental illness.

Does your brother have a therapist? Belong to a support group? There are a lot of issues dealing with disabilities.

He distrusts doctors, which is a product of spending most of his childhood in hospitals. He had about a dozen major surgeries (like spinal fusions) by the time he was 18, so that is understandable. Since then he has refused all attempts by the doctors to do more surgery until a couple of years ago when he tore his rotator cuff. Imagine being a paraplegic and losing the use of one arm. In his defense, he's been hearing for 25 years that if he doesn't get this surgery or that he'll die within five years. As I said, he's about to turn 50, which is much older than any doctor ever expected.

He sees asking for help as a sign of weakness, so he will not do it. When he lost his house there were programs in place specifically for people in his situation, but he refuses to accept help. He could go on permenant total disability, but he will not because he is too proud to do it.

He also hates being around other disabled people, so support groups are not an option for him. I mentioned to you that he was put into special ed when he was little even though he has no mental disability, and he has fought that stigma ever since. People see a physically handicapped person and they tend to assume they are also mentally challenged. Being around those who face similar issues, especially those who do have mental disabilities, is something he is not willing to do.

One thing I had to learn the hard way is that there is no way to help anyone who is not willing to accept help, and there is no way to make them willing. That must come from them. That goes for mental health, addiction, my wife's driving, and just about everything else.

He is surviving, it just seems to be such a miserable existence. But our mom is 72, and I'm shocked she's lasted this long. I don't know how much longer she'll last. I don't know how that will affect him since they are so co-dependent. She's really the only constant in his life since he has isolated himself from everyone else. They have lived together for the last 15 years.

That brings up something else that I've been wrestling with - I've asked myself how I'll react when our mom goes, and I really find it hard to imagine that I'll care. Her father, my grandfather, died while I was in boot camp, and I was offered the opportunity to leave to attend his services but I refused. Now I feel the same way about her. It seems so heartless to not feel any sense of loss, but on the other hand it isn't based on a resentment or hate. It is just that I have come to accept that she is sick, she will never do what it takes to regain her mental health, so she has essentially been dead to me for five years. And it's not like there are many childhood memories for me to look back on and reminisce.

Sorry to have hijacked your thread again Vrai.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
And exploding diapers!

Gawd, and potty training. Coloring on the walls. All cabinets with safety locks for 20 years. 20 years of babysitters.

We had one just getting out of diapers when the second was born, and I felt like that was an eternity.
 

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
Gawd, and potty training. Coloring on the walls. All cabinets with safety locks for 20 years. 20 years of babysitters.

We had one just getting out of diapers when the second was born, and I felt like that was an eternity.

Painting with number 2.

Fortunately, mine never did that. :lol:
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
There is no way to help anyone who is not willing to accept help, and there is no way to make them willing. That must come from them. That goes for mental health, addiction, my wife's driving, and just about everything else.

AND there you have it. He HAS options, he chooses not to exercise them. Nothing you can do.

His idea of a relationship is different than yours.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
AND there you have it. He HAS options, he chooses not to exercise them. Nothing you can do.

His idea of a relationship is different than yours.

Yep. Not that I am very good at relationships either...

When my wife hears some of my stories, or sees my family, she says it's amazing that I am not screwed up. I tell her that I am screwed up, just not as bad as I could be.

I can use my past as an excuse for bad behavior, or I can accept it and learn from it, and try not to repeat it with my kids.
 

Hank

my war
That brings up something else that I've been wrestling with - I've asked myself how I'll react when our mom goes, and I really find it hard to imagine that I'll care. Her father, my grandfather, died while I was in boot camp, and I was offered the opportunity to leave to attend his services but I refused. Now I feel the same way about her. It seems so heartless to not feel any sense of loss, but on the other hand it isn't based on a resentment or hate. It is just that I have come to accept that she is sick, she will never do what it takes to regain her mental health, so she has essentially been dead to me

Geez. This makes me want to try to mend and resolve issues with my Mom. I don't want to end up feeling the way you do as time keeps passing and not speaking to one another.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Painting with number 2.

Fortunately, mine never did that. :lol:

We had it pretty easy too. The worst we dealt with was when they were sick, and you can't really hold that against them. My son was destructive just like any boy, but compared to how I was, I got off way too easy.

But the teen years are just starting. God help me.
 
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