Osteen as heretic?

[2ndAmendment]

This is not my interpretation of Hitler at all. I do believe in Evil, and I attribute all atrocites to Evil itself.... Not God.

In my heart I trust, that God hated Hitler as much as the world did.

I belive that God bleeds.

God uses the evil done by satan and humans to accomplish His own plans. He knew it would happen before it did (omniscience) and He knew how to use it for good.

I do not believe God hated Hitler. God does not hate His creation. He hates sin. I think God hated the sin and the evil and the bloodshed that Hitler did and directed, but God used it for His purpose of chastising the Jews and bringing them out of the dispersion and back to the nation of Israel.

He bled on the cross. He does not need to now; once for all.

 

[Kain99]

God uses the evil done by satan and humans to accomplish His own plans. He knew it would happen before it did (omniscience) and He knew how to use it for good.

I do not believe God hated Hitler. God does not hate His creation. He hates sin. I think God hated the sin and the evil and the bloodshed that Hitler did and directed, but God used it for His purpose of chastising the Jews and bringing them out of the dispersion and back to the nation of Israel.

He bled on the cross. He does not need to now; once for all.

If you are saying, that God saw great evil and turned the tide by creating good from it we are on the same side.

 

[2ndAmendment]

If you are saying, that God saw great evil and turned the tide by creating good from it we are on the same side.

I am saying that nothing happens without God's knowledge and permission. I am saying that the Bible plainly says that no one comes to into power unless God allows it. Romans 13:1 is not veiled in any way. Hitler came to power because God allowed him to come to power. Then God used Hitler to persecute the Jews. Then God moved on the people of the earth to have pity on the Jews and restore the nation of Israel. The total sequence of events, the BIG picture, all worked as God planned.

Romans 8:26-39

26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?

32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?

33Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies;

34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36Just as it is written,
"FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED."

37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.

38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,

39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

Evil is not of God, but He does allow it to befall us.

^ No need for me to disagree, you pretty much summed up what I said in that sentence; yet, I couldn't find the right words to say it.

I can not accept that the loving God "allows" evil and pain because that is a violent concept and God is not violent.

People believe God is violent and talk of God's huge violence and I find that wrong.

It is not correct to say God could have struck down one like Hitler because that would be the sin of murder and if God did then there are many MANY more people that God would be expected to strike down.

So people claim that God "allows" it and I find the opposite to be true.

God cries and moans and God is powerless against the cruelties of mankind until we mature and get saved from our own wickedness.

Both God and all of creation feel the lingering pain link HERE.

Having long-suffering patience and waiting for the right time does not mean God is "allowing" it.

 

[Kain99]

Again, I do not believe that stuff. My God, is Daddy God.

You are very book smart 2A or at least, you have a great online bible at hand...

You do realize, that others read the very same words that you do and derive drastically different meanings.

Your words have always been, and will always be, your personal translation.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I can not accept that the loving God "allows" evil and pain because that is a violent concept and God is not violent.

People believe God is violent and talk of God's huge violence and I find that wrong.

It is not correct to say God could have struck down one like Hitler because that would be the sin of murder and if God did then there are many MANY more people that God would be expected to strike down.

So people claim that God "allows" it and I find the opposite to be true.

God cries and moans and God is powerless against the cruelties of mankind until we mature and get saved from our own wickedness.

Both God and all of creation feel the lingering pain link HERE.

Having long-suffering patience and waiting for the right time does not mean God is "allowing" it.

Did you ever read the Bible? You say you have, but somehow, I don't believe it. Ever read the Book of Job? Satan asked to test Job and God gave His permission.

You have to read the WHOLE Bible and BELIEVE the WHOLE Bible or you don't get the WHOLE picture.

 

[Kain99]

Did you ever read the Bible? You say you have, but somehow, I don't believe it. Ever read the Book of Job? Satan asked to test Job and God gave His permission.

You have to read the WHOLE Bible and BELIEVE the WHOLE Bible or you don't get the WHOLE picture.

Lay off of JPC already! Crap! The only thing he is saying, is that His God is a Loving God.

You spend hours disputing this? What the Hell has happened to you?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Again, I do not believe that stuff. My God, is Daddy God.

You are very book smart 2A or at least, you have a great online bible at hand...

You do realize, that others read the very same words that you do and derive drastically different meanings.

Your words have always been, and will always be, your personal translation.

My God is the Father, too. My earthly father loved me very much, and he spanked me when I needed it. Does it not stand to reason that the Father of all creation would chastise His children when they need it?

Do you believe in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The flood of Noah? Job? The persecution of the Jews by Egypt? The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity? They are all in the Bible and God claims them all. They are there for the reading. If you don't then I understand why you have an opposing opinion. I believe the word of God, the Bible verbatim.

The reason I post scripture in context is to keep as much of me out of it as possible. A few years ago I was posting my opinion and not scripture and catching so much criticism from you and others, I prayed about what to do. God, plain as I am typing this, told me to just post scripture. If people had a problem with it, it was not with me that they had the problem.

 

[Kain99]

My God is the Father, too. My earthly father loved me very much, and he spanked me when I needed it. Does it not stand to reason that the Father of all creation would chastise His children when they need it?

Do you believe in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The flood of Noah? Job? The persecution of the Jews by Egypt? The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity? They are all in the Bible and God claims them all. They are there for the reading. If you don't then I understand why you have an opposing opinion. I believe the word of God, the Bible verbatim.

The reason I post scripture in context is to keep as much of me out of it as possible. A few years ago I was posting my opinion and not scripture and catching so much criticism from you and others, I prayed about what to do. God, plain as I am typing this, told me to just post scripture. If people had a problem with it, it was not with me that they had the problem.

I definitely have a problem..... I sit here and watch you, night after night drive people away from Christ!

You don't see it because you have an agenda! The 2A agenda, and it is dangerous.

God did NOT direct you, to slap down those just getting their feet wet Buster!

Rome was not built in a day and you my friend, need to go back to school!

 

[2ndAmendment]

Lay off of JPC already! Crap! The only thing he is saying, is that His God is a Loving God.

You spend hours disputing this? What the Hell has happened to you?

JPC spouts new age everyone is saved stuff that is exactly what the Nicolaitans believed. They believed it was OK to sin because everyone gets saved. What did Jesus say to John in Revelation 2?

Revelation 2:6'Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

His god is not the God of the Bible. JPC says he does not believe the Bible.

God is absolutely the God of love, but He hates sin. He created the lake of fire and it is real despite what JPC or anyone else may believe.

Revelation 20:10-15

10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Judgment at the Throne of God
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

The only reason there has been so much said about hell or the lake of fire is because of the heresy that JPC is teaching. If he did not proclaim those lies, then the scripture about the punishment of satan, his followers, and those who's names are not in the Book of Life would not occupy so much space and time.

I would much rather proclaim the gracious of God and do, but when JPC lies, then the lie must be refuted for what it is.

If you believe the Bible, why would you defend a heretic?

 

[2ndAmendment]

I definitely have a problem..... I sit here and watch you, night after night drive people away from Christ!

You don't see it because you have an agenda! The 2A agenda, and it is dangerous.

God did NOT direct you, to slap down those just getting their feet wet Buster!

Rome was not built in a day and you my friend, need to go back to school!

And this from you?

 

[2ndAmendment]

I definitely have a problem..... I sit here and watch you, night after night drive people away from Christ!

You don't see it because you have an agenda! The 2A agenda, and it is dangerous.

God did NOT direct you, to slap down those just getting their feet wet Buster!

Rome was not built in a day and you my friend, need to go back to school!

You did not answer the questions. Do you believe in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The flood of Noah? Job? The persecution of the Jews by Egypt? The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity?

The answers to those questions will reveal much.

 

[Kain99]

And this from you?

We could go tit for tat here, but God just told me to back off!

From me: Consider your audience. From your pedestal, you have the power to do great harm.

I mean that from my heart.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You did not answer the questions. Do you believe in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The flood of Noah? Job? The persecution of the Jews by Egypt? The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity?

The answers to those questions will reveal much.

 

[2ndAmendment]

We could go tit for tat here, but God just told me to back off!

From me: Consider your audience. From your pedestal, you have the power to do great harm.

I mean that from my heart.

I am on anything but a pedestal. I am a sinner forgiven.

I am considering my audience. JPC. My posts directed at JPC are just that, directed at JPC. He does not believe the Bible; he has stated so. He spouts stuff that is not in the Bible in any way shape or form.

His posts are not directed at me but to everyone. He is trying to lead anyone that may read what he posts into beliefs that are not Biblical. Anyone who is a Christian should never let that happen.

 

[Kain99]

You did not answer the questions. Do you believe in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The flood of Noah? Job? The persecution of the Jews by Egypt? The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity?

The answers to those questions will reveal much.

Most of that crap, is old testament bullshait which has virtually been ignored by the church for some time.

We've all seen the scriptures in the old testament. The hateful abrahamic laws followed on a guru level by the pharisees... the commands that could not have come from any sort of loving being, asking for the death of petty offenders, beating of wives, inequality of the sexes, owning and mistreatment of slaves, and so on.

Come on Master, you can do much better than this! You have your petty opinion of me, but I am much more learned than you so bring it on!

 

[Kain99]

While We Are At It...

The Hebrew word sheol is translated as "hell" in the Old Testament. It's meaning is "the common grave of mankind" and has nothing to do with the current definition of "hell", i.e., a place of "fire and brimstone" where the evil are punished throughout eternity. That definition of "hell" comes mostly from the writings of the poet Dante and his book, Inferno.

P.S. Your Holy Book was translated 1827 times before it fell into your hands.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You did not answer the questions. Do you believe in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? The flood of Noah? Job? The persecution of the Jews by Egypt? The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity?

The answers to those questions will reveal much.

References for you.

1) destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah - Genesis chapters 18 and 19.
2) The flood of Noah - Genesis chapters 6 to 8.
3) The persecution of the Jews by Egypt - Exodus chapters 1 to 14.
4) The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity - 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Daniel, others.
5) Job - Book of Job

 

[Kain99]

References for you.

1) destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah - Genesis chapters 18 and 19.
2) The flood of Noah - Genesis chapters 6 to 8.
3) The persecution of the Jews by Egypt - Exodus chapters 1 to 14.
4) The wars where Israel was defeated and led into captivity - 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Daniel, others.
5) Job - Book of Job

Hello! Please read above and stop surfing the net. This is personal.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Most of that crap, is old testament bullshait which has virtually been ignored by the church for some time.

We've all seen the scriptures in the old testament. The hateful abrahamic laws followed on a guru level by the pharisees... the commands that could not have come from any sort of loving being, asking for the death of petty offenders, beating of wives, inequality of the sexes, owning and mistreatment of slaves, and so on.

Come on Master, you can do much better than this! You have your petty opinion of me, but I am much more learned than you so bring it on!

Still didn't answer the questions. Simple yes or no will do. Has nothing to do with Old Testament law. Of course Jesus said:

Matthew 5:17-20

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.